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The house at the Faythe in Wexford town, where Bridget Crosbie lay undiscovered for two months

The house at the Faythe in Wexford town, where Bridget Crosbie lay undiscovered for two months

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/religious-cult-took-our-sister-from-us-says-family-34241672.html

Religious cult took our sister from us, says family

Graham Clifford

Published 28/11/2015

The family of a Wexford pensioner, whose body lay undiscovered in her home for two months, believe the public should be vigilant to “the dangers of alternative faith-based groups, sects and cults.”

Bridget Crosbie (84) died of natural causes at her home in the Faythe area of Wexford town in September, but her death was only discovered when gardaí entered her home on November 20 and found her remains in a downstairs bedroom.

One of seven siblings, and originally from Foulksmills outside New Ross, Ms Crosbie was unmarried. A member of a group known as the ‘Palmarian Catholic Church’ – a highly secretive Spanish sect that broke away from the Catholic Church and has declared a series of its own ‘Popes’ – Bridget effectively was forced to cut herself off from her family when she became involved with the sect in the late 1970s, around the same time she returned to Ireland to look aft er her parents.

“Growing up, Bridget was just a typical Irish girl. She was great fun. She worked in hotels in England during the late sixties, was very popular, and then became a midwife. But somewhere along the line she became involved with this Palmarian crowd and everything changed,” said a family member.

She added: “She told us she couldn’t speak to us anymore because we weren’t Palmarians. If we met her on the street she wouldn’t even talk to us. It was heart-breaking. She had to wear a long dark dress all the time and a habit. She became isolated and no matter how many times we’d try to help her she wouldn’t open her door or engage with us or her neighbours, who also tried to help. On numerous occasions we travelled to Clontarf to speak with the Palmarian leaders there but couldn’t get inside the gates.”

One neighbour, Sean O’Leary, said: “If you’d meet her on the street she might say hello, but when you tried to engage her in conversation she’d walk away.”

It’s estimated there are approximately 300 members of the Palmarian sect in Ireland with only around 2,000 members worldwide.

The group had its Irish headquarters in a house at number 38 Haddon Road, in the leafy Dublin suburb of Clontarf, but the property was put up for sale for €1.4m during the summer months.

Attempts to contact the Palmarian leaders in Ireland this week were unsuccessful.

Included in the group’s long list of strict rules is the insistence that females must wear skirts no shorter than five fingers width below the knee, that attending non-Palmarian religious services such as weddings, funerals and christenings is banned, and that there is to be no social contact with any persons not dressed to the Palmarian dress code.

Amongst its more bizarre rules are a ban on watching boxing, voting, reading horoscopes, using candles on birthday cakes and visiting swimming pools and beaches. Television programmes that show people outside the Palmarian dress code may not be watched. Michael Garde, Director of Dialogue Ireland, an independent trust that works to promote awareness and understanding of new ‘religious’ movements and cultism in Ireland, told the Irish Independent: “We are regularly contacted by families who have seen a loved one lost to the Palmarian church. We are deeply concerned by the group and how it destroys families and isolates people, especially the elderly. There are also reports that the Palmarians are targeting younger people and students.”

Mr Garde said there have been many examples of Irish people adjoined to the Palmarians selling their homes, or leaving their property to the group in their wills, with proceeds going to the ‘church’ which has its headquarters in the remote Spanish town of Palmar de Troya, where it has a lavish basilica behind high walls.

“Groups like the Palmarians have undue influence on people, they remove the rational capacity for people to deal with things. In Ireland, these groups have left behind a trail of hundreds of people no longer connected to society.”

Bridget Crosbie’s family want people in Ireland to be vigilant about these groups. A family member told the Irish Independent: “They are dangerous, they ruin lives and in our case they took our beloved sister from us. We don’t want to see another family devastated by cults like the Palmarians.”

Irish Independent


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Poignant story of a someone who went to prison without entering a cell.

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Carefree: Bridget Crosbie in her late 20s. During the Swinging Sixties she worked in hotels in London and the Channel Islands but a decade later her life took a different outlook

Carefree: Bridget Crosbie in her late 20s. During the Swinging Sixties she worked in hotels in London and the Channel Islands but a decade later her life took a different outlook

 

Religious cult took our sister from us, says family of Bridget Crosbie

She died alone and lonely and lay undiscovered in her Wexford home for two months. But 84-year-old Bridget was once full of the joys of life … before she joined a secretive religious sect.

 

It’s the Swinging Sixties and a young, carefree, woman from rural Wexford takes the boat to England to start a new life.

Bridget Crosbie, a beautiful, smart and popular figure, finds work in hotels in London and even in the Channel Island of Guernsey.

“She loved life,” said a family member this week, adding “she was great fun, loved her family, she had boyfriends like every other young girl, was very artistic and was really a typical, everyday Irish girl.”

She qualified as a midwife and worked in various London hospitals.

But by the end of the Seventies Bridget had changed.

Her family say it was around then that she joined the Palmarian Catholic Church – a secretive Spanish sect that broke away from the Catholic Church and has declared a series of its own ‘popes’.

When Bridget returned home to Wexford, she became more indoctrinated she also became more reclusive in keeping with the sects’ strict set of rules.

She had to wear a full-length dark dress and a make-shift habit. There was to be no social contact with any persons not dressed to the Palmarian dress code – even over the telephone.

All religious items not in keeping with the Palmarian teachings had to be destroyed, listening to modern music was banned as was attending non-Palmarian religious services such as weddings, funerals and christenings.

Ties with family members are effectively cut and followers live without television sets, radio, computers and telephones.

The group, which featured in a TV3 documentary called Ireland’s Secret Cults, is said to have about 300 members in Ireland but when Review attempted to contact the Church this week our attempts were unsuccessful.

Bridget’s family and many concerned neighbours tried to help her but she retreated from life though she did travel to Dublin occasionally to attend Palmarian services and hand out pamphlets.

Knocks at the door were ignored.

Outside her home neighbours got on with their lives, children played in the green opposite her house and a few doors up locals called in for a pint at the nearby pub. The world kept on turning.

But at number 29 life moved at a very different pace.

On November 20, Bridget’s body was found in the bedroom of her home in the Faythe in Wexford Town, she was 84. She had been dead for at least two months.

“We’d always keep an eye out for her but sure she couldn’t interact with us because of the religion,” said her neighbour Paddy Mulligan. “If you did happen to catch her eye, she’d smile. It’s very sad.”

Another neighbour Sean O’Leary told me that even when she fell on the street during the summer and the paramedics came to help her she wouldn’t interact with them.

“She refused to go in the ambulance, that was July and the last time I set eyes on her,” he said.

Bridget’s siblings want to warn other families about the Palmarian Church and say it, and similar alternative groups, are potentially dangerous. One family member told me: “People need to be aware of groups like these which are often handing out leaflets on our streets. We don’t know why Bridget got involved with the Palmarians but we do know they took her away from us. She lived in isolation. We wanted to speak to her, she probably wanted to speak to us – but because of the extreme rules she felt she couldn’t. It was utterly heart-breaking.”

While Bridget Crosbie withdrew from conventional living due to her beliefs, many elderly people across Ireland are doing so to avoid the confusion and increased pressures associated with modern living.

“We see it all the time,” said Sean Moynihan, the CEO of the charity Alone, adding: “obviously changes in the way society lives impacts on the elderly and it can be daunting and worrying.

The more we become connected digitally, the less we are connected socially, and that is something which older people find very difficult to get used to. Still so many elderly people have no access to, or no idea how to use, a computer yet all services are moving online.”

One in three elderly people in Ireland today live alone and so the temptation to retreat into the ‘safety’ of the familiar, blocking out everything outside the front door’ is understandably strong.

“The world is changing so much and much of what had been a constant in the lives of elderly people is now different all of a sudden,” said Sean Moynihan. “Take the banking situation for example. You had customers of the Bank of Ireland for over half a century being told recently that they couldn’t get money out at the counter. They weren’t even sent a letter telling them this would happen. For these people that is hugely confusing and stressful.”

While some isolation is self-imposed, others find themselves alone because of events in their lives. Head of advocacy and communications with Age Action, Justin Moran, believes that keeping an eye on the elderly and providing reassurance will greatly help, he said “we would urge people to check in on their older neighbours, particularly if they’re living alone or far from their families. Reaching out like that is a gesture and it can be important to people who might be socially isolated.”

There was a time in Ireland when this would be done as a matter of course. “I don’t necessarily think that we care less but I think people are busier now – running and racing,” said Sean Moynihan of Alone. “We drive everywhere, have mobile phones to our ears, we work hard to pay the never-ending bills and we seem to lose perspective.”

With an ageing population, isolation can quickly become the norm. With less and less social interaction confidence levels can dip and attention to one’s health and living oft times deteriorates.

And in some cases, as we discovered this week, the cause for isolation is more complex, harder to fathom.

In Wexford on Tuesday Bridget Crosbie’s family gathered to say goodbye to their beloved sister… for a second time.

They remembered the bright young woman who was once full of the joys of life… and wondered what might have been.

Indo Review


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Liveline tries to make sense of the Palmarians

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Carefree: Bridget Crosbie in her late 20s. During the Swinging Sixties she worked in hotels in London and the Channel Islands but a decade later her life took a different outlook

Bridget Crosbie in her late 20s.

Dialogue Ireland  has been helping families for over two decades who are dealing with the issues which Liveline addressed today. First it is not a Religion. In Ireland we continuously confuse a Religion with a denomination or Confession of a Religion. In this case we are dealing with the Christian Faith and the question is what category does the Palmarian Church fit into? It not only claims its view of Catholicism is the right one but in fact believes itself to be the Church founded by Christ. So logically it believes the Catholic Church as we know it is is not the true Church and they are. The dress code is a way to to create boundaries which reinforce their uniqueness and keep their members under undue influence. Family members have to get a fancy dress kit in order to gain access to the family member. In other words the effects are likely to be felt by thousands of children who have lost contact with grandparents, sons and daughters who are totally isolated. The effects are deep depression loss of familial ties and the natural succession of family identity and resources are taken over by this Church. It breaks up families and the results for future generations are very grim. We have heard how as one partner dies the spouse is joined to another Palmarian family and so when the house is sold the proceeds go back to the group. Most people were very much taken by surprise by the reports of the death of Bridget Crosbie.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/christian/palmarian-church/

Above you will find our archive on this group but let it be a wake up call to another movement which claims to be Catholic under Christina Gallagher called the House of Prayer. The same horrific stories of lack of communication are being played out all round Ireland but after a process of working with the Catholic Church to address these issues, Dialogue Ireland have been forced to admit defeat as the most recent attempt to communicate with them resulted in a complete refusal to engage. So on the one hand House of Prayer group claims to be Catholic but the Catholic Church does not recognise them. Unfortunately, their claim is hollow as the Archbishop of Armagh has a priest from his diocese going to Achill every week giving support to this terrible scam.

Here is where you can find out more:

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/christian/house-of-prayer/

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2013/12/02/house-of-prayer-turned-our-mum-into-a-fanatic/
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2014/03/18/house-of-prayer-statement-about-the-loughman-family-dispute/
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2014/03/20/katherine-wish-to-be-reconciled-with-their-motherted-loughman-and-his-sister-katherine-wish-to-be-reconcoled-with-mother/

See the exact parallels above and ask how would you respond to this story from 2008? We have had people with exactly the very same issues coming to us but after a 3 year process we have had to admit defeat working with the Catholic Church.  Cardinal Brady sat on this issue for over a decade but just before he retired he agreed to meet to discuss this issue. However, the very month he had agreed to meet he  retired saying he could find no problem with his priest or the  House of Prayer. We felt his successor Archbishop Eamon Martin would address the issue. However, at a crunch meeting in Dundalk earlier this month it became clear he was not going to do anything. So we will have to embark on another strategy which hopefully will result in closure for the families.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2009/07/03/house-of-prayer-rte-prime-time-may-2008/

RTÉ – Liveline
Joe Duffy talks to the Irish public about affairs of the day.
Palmarian Church

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30 November 2015
Listeners tell us about family members who’ve been drawn to the Palmarian religion. It’s a controlling religion and the restrictions that apply to members include not being allowed to wear shorts, nor being able to read books or vote in elections.

A religious picture in the window of the house in Faythe, Co Wexford where the body of the elderly woman was found

The house at the Faythe in Wexford town, where Bridget Crosbie lay undiscovered for two months


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Palmarians on Liveline Day 2: Joe Duffy explores further and gets deeper insights from the public.

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RTÉ – Liveline
Joe Duffy talks to the Irish public about affairs of the day.

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Palmarian Church

01 December 2015
The isolated lifestyle of the Palmarian Church members generated many calls to Liveline from family members who have been unable to make contact with siblings and other relatives. Hilda, Philly, Rachel, Teresa Mary Elizabeth and Michael told Joe about their interaction with the group.

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See our comprehensive coverage of the Palmarians here:

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/christian/palmarian-church/

 

Today we moved away from the specific case of Bridget  Crosbie to the general situation of people giving further insights into the Palmarians. This was kicked off by Hilda who was able to describe the way the dress code is used to control the member. There is the heartache of the family member not being able to communicate with their loved one.

Hilda told us how one day she came across her brother by accident in Sandymount and tried to talk to him. He just turned his back and walked off.

It is very important to report this to relevant agencies and these two posts can assist family members in their efforts to assist.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/christian/abuse-by-church-and-irish-institutions/

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/vulnerable-adults-another-facet-of-cultism-moving-people-beyon-their-boundaries/

It is not clear if the House in Clontarf has been sold and some described the close intimacies of growing up in the Church.

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There is still a bit of a confusion as to what to call this group. Generally we use the term cult or sect to describe what is not clear to us and what appears to be bad religion. In Dialogue Ireland we would describe it first as a Church. It is making a bold claim that it is the Church founded by Christ. Secondly it regards the Roman Catholic Church as a sect hence it wants nothing to do with them and keeps its members away from them. Even though it is relatively small its shape is closer to a Church than a sect, but but it is clear that it has been struggling for over a decade to  maintain its hold on its members and so it is introducing these rules as a means of control.

We see the issue not so much about calling them a cult but recognising the cultist tendencies and the total loss of sovereignty of their members. We describe this as cultism:

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/about/

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/about/cultism/

During Liveline today a priest was mentioned who was a pioneer in regard to the whole issue of cults. His name was Louis Hughes and at that time he was in Drogheda. He is has retired to Newbridge. He was for a time the Chair of Dialogue Ireland and assisted many people over the period of thirty years with their experience of cultism.

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For those who wish to gain a better understanding of this Church we would recommend reading the studies of Dr Magnus Lundberg from the Department of Theology in Uppsala, Sweden.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/10/25/dr-magnus-lundberg-of-the-uppsala-university-department-of-theology-has-writen-important-material-on-the-palmarians/

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View from the seaView from Haddon Road

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I am like a rubber ball I come bouncing back to you…..

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Mr. Erhard was the subject of a “60 Minutes” report, an I.R.S. investigation and allegations of abuse by his daughter. He sued the tax agency and won $200,000, and his daughter recanted her claims. Credit Tom Jamieson for The New York Times

The New York Times

The Return of Werner Erhard, Father of Self-Help

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/fashion/the-return-of-werner-erhard-father-of-self-help.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=1

 

New York Times, November 28, 2015

By Peter Haldemannov

The silver-haired man dressed like a waiter (dark vest, dark slacks) paced the aisle between rows of desks in a Toronto conference room. “If you’re going to be a leader, you’re going to have to have a very loose relationship with this thing you call ‘I’ or ‘me,’” he shouted. “Maybe that whole thing in me around which the universe revolves isn’t so central!”

Mr. Erhard and Buckminster Fuller on stage at the 1979 event Making the World Work for Everyone. Credit Werner Erhard Foundation

He paused to wipe his brow with a wad of paper towels. An assistant stood by with a microphone, but he waved her off. “Maybe life is not about the self but about self-transcendence! You got a problem with that?”

No one in the room had a problem with that. The desks were occupied by 27 name-tagged academics from around the world. And in the course of the day, a number of them would take the mike to pose what their instructor referred to as “yeah buts, how ’bouts or what ifs” in response to his pronouncements — but no one had a problem with them.

In some ways, the three-day workshop, “Creating Class Leaders,” recalled an EST training session. As with that cultural touchstone of the 1970s, there was “sharing” and applause. There were confrontations and hugs. Gnomic declarations hovered in the air like mist: “We need to distinguish distinction”; “There’s no seeing, there’s only the seer”; “There isn’t any is.”

But the event was much more civilized than EST. There were bathroom breaks. No one was called an expletive by the teacher.

This is significant because the teacher was none other than the creator of EST, Werner Erhard.

Pound another nail into the coffin for F. Scott Fitzgerald’s notion that there are no second acts in American lives.

“I am committed to the opposite of that idea,” Mr. Erhard said a few weeks after the leadership class in Toronto. “I don’t think there’s a person who walked out of that room who isn’t a second act.” To say nothing of their instructor, who, at age 80, may be more of a third or fourth act.

There was a time, boys and girls — the Me Decade, Tom Wolfe called it — when Mom and Dad wore mood rings, attended encounter groups and in general engaged in a tireless amount of navel gazing. If the so-called human potential movement had a single avatar, it was Werner Erhard.

EST (Latin for “is” and an acronym for Erhard Seminars Training) was equal parts Zen Buddhism and Dale Carnegie. Aspiring “ESTies” flocked to hotel ballrooms across the country for combative training sessions during which they forwent meal and bathroom breaks to take responsibility for their lives and “get it” by discovering there was nothing to get.

Diana Ross, Joe Namath, Yoko Ono, Jerry Rubin and several hundred thousand other seekers got it. Newsweek anointed Mr. Erhard “a celebrity guru who retails enlightenment.” There were doubters. To New Times magazine, he was “the king of the brain snatchers.”

The criticism intensified as EST grew. It was labeled a cult that practiced mind control (verbal abuse, sleep deprivation), a racket that exploited its followers (heavy recruiting, endless “graduate seminars”).

Much was made of Mr. Erhard’s tangled Don Draperish past: his days as a car salesman in Philadelphia, his dabbling in Mind Dynamics and Scientology, his desertion of his first wife and their four children to reinvent himself on the West Coast.

Even his name was fake, lifted from an Esquire article he read on the plane to California. (“The Men Who Made the New Germany” included references to Ludwig Erhard, the minister of economics, and Werner Heisenberg, the atomic scientist.) Mr. Erhard was born Jack Rosenberg.

In 1985, he repackaged EST as the Forum, a kinder, gentler iteration of the training that was also more success-oriented. “In the ’80s, people started to think a little bit, and it was possible to use a less-confrontational style,” he said. But tax disputes, company lawsuits and an ugly divorce from his second wife kept Mr. Erhard in the news media cross hairs.

The flameout came in 1991. In March of that year, at the same time that I.R.S. officials were publicly accusing him of tax fraud, “60 Minutes” broadcast a report on Mr. Erhard that depicted him as an abusive father and husband who had sexually molested two daughters from his second marriage. Shortly before that show was televised, he sold the Forum to a group of employees, gave his Great Dane to a friend and fled the country.

“My reputation was destroyed by ‘60 Minutes,’” Mr. Erhard shouted between sips of Dragon Well Supreme green tea and a fistful of the pills he takes for various ailments. (He has no indoor voice — a professional hazard, perhaps.)

He had taken a suite at the London NYC hotel, where he had traveled with his Dutch-born third wife, Gonneke Spits, from Toronto to see friends, do a little business and visit his favorite chiropractor and tailor. He was also in the city to meet with a reporter — virtually the only press he has done in more than two decades.

“It was clear that I had to remove myself from the work, or the work was going to get very damaged,” Mr. Erhard said of his self-imposed exile.

Mr. Erhard with the Dalai Lama in 1979. Credit Werner Erhard Foundation

But it was the Church of Scientology that actually drove him out of the country. According to Mr. Erhard, the “60 Minutes” allegations were the culmination of a smear campaign organized by Scientology officials to get back at him for poaching clients and ideas.

“There’s no question that I was declared fair game by L. Ron Hubbard,” he said. “In the doctrines of Scientology, that meant they could destroy me financially, socially or reputationally.”

This was a long time before the book (and the movie) “Going Clear” exposed some of the shadier practices of Scientology. But a 1991 article in The Los Angeles Times described how the church had indeed targeted Mr. Erhard as a “suppressive person,” hiring at least three private investigators to dig up dirt on him and pass it on to the news media. One of them, Alan Clow, said he shared his findings with “60 Minutes.”

As for the I.R.S., Mr. Erhard sued the agency (winning $200,000 in damages) for falsely claiming he had evaded taxes.

The daughter who had accused him of abuse later recanted, admitting she had lied to receive an advance on a book. And an article in The Believer stated that the “60 Minutes” segment was riddled with so many discrepancies that CBS deleted it from its public archives.

After leaving the country, Mr. Erhard settled in a friend’s apartment in Tokyo, with, he said, no more than “a pocketful of cash” to his name.

He had kept the business rights to the Forum in Japan, and for several years, under the rubric of “mastery,” he conducted seminars for professionals coping with Japan’s financial crisis of the early 1990s. He also did some consulting work for Landmark, the Forum’s successor, run by his brother Harry Rosenberg.

In 1996, Mr. Erhard came down with a mysterious debilitating illness. A friend referred him to his doctor in the Cayman Islands, who ultimately diagnosed the Epstein-Barr virus. Mr. Erhard recovered on Grand Cayman, where he and Ms. Spits (a former EST executive) bought a villa in George Town, which remains their home base when they are not traveling.

For several years before his latest professional reincarnation, Mr. Erhard consulted for businesses and government agencies like the Russian adult-education program the Znaniye Society and a nonprofit organization supporting clergy in Ireland.

Enter the Harvard economist Michael Jensen. Dr. Jensen, who is famous in financial circles for championing the concepts of shareholder value and executive stock options, had taken a Landmark course in Boston at the suggestion of his daughter, who mended a rocky relationship with Dr. Jensen after taking the course herself.

“I became convinced we should work to get this kind of transformational material into the academies,” he said, adding that he considers Mr. Erhard “one of the great intellectuals of the century.”

In 2004, with the help of a Landmark official, Dr. Jensen developed an experiential course on integrity in leadership at the Simon Business School at the University of Rochester. The class was offered there for five years, with Mr. Erhard signing on as an instructor during its third year. It has since been taught at several universities around the world as well as at the United States Air Force Academy.

As far as its philosophical underpinnings go, Mr. Erhard struggled a bit to describe the course without resorting to its Delphic phraseology (“ontological pedagogy,” “action as a correlate of the occurring”).

Sitting in front of a bank of computers in his hotel room, he read excerpts from the 1,000-page textbook he is working on, such as: “As linguistic abstractions, leader and leadership create leader and leadership as realms of possibility in which, when you are being a leader, all possible ways of being are available to you.”

Werner Erhard in Hampstead, London. In the 1970s Mr. Erhard created Erhard Seminars Training, which taught strategies for self-actualization in workshops that could turn combative. Credit Tom Jamieson for The New York Times

Briefly, the course, which owes ideological debts to the Forum and to the German philosopher Martin Heidegger, takes an experience-based, rather than knowledge-based, approach to its subject. Students master principles like integrity and authenticity in order to leave the class acting as leaders instead of merely knowing about leadership.

Its promoters believe the course has broader applications both within and outside of academia. “They should take it to government,” said Paul Fireman, the former chairman and C.E.O. of Reebok, who has consulted with Mr. Erhard on his recent work. (Mr. Fireman says that Reebok’s stock price jumped “from the $6 or $7 range to the $25 to $30 range” after he introduced his employees to the Landmark training.)

Landmark, for which Mr. Erhard continues to help develop new programs, is far more mainstream than EST ever became. Currently, according to Harry Rosenberg, 130,000 people a year participate in its offerings, which are available on every continent except Antarctica. It has a stronger corporate presence than EST or the Forum; in addition to Reebok, clients include Microsoft, NASA and Lululemon.

Still, Mr. Erhard’s emphasis on personal responsibility, on being rather than knowing, is embedded in the Landmark workshops. “All of the Landmark programs are based on the ideas and methodology that Werner developed,” Mr. Rosenberg said. “The basic intent has not changed.”

In fact, Mr. Erhard casts a fairly long shadow in the culture at large. His influence, wrote Lucy Kellaway in the Financial Times, “extends far beyond the couple of million people who have done his courses: there is hardly a self-help book or a management training programme that does not borrow some of his principles.”

Whether that’s a good thing or not probably depends on one’s attitude toward such books and programs.

“Erhard made palatable the notion that the end justifies the means,” said Steve Salerno, the author of “Sham: How the Self-Help Movement Made America Helpless.” “Which is partly responsible for the climate of what I call happyism. If your happiness is all that matters, anybody who stands in the way becomes detritus in the ruthless pursuit of individual perfection.”

Criticism of this sort does not faze Mr. Erhard. Certainly, he’s weathered worse.

In his ninth decade, he is consumed with his latest mission, putting in 10-hour days lecturing and teaching three courses a year in addition to completing the textbook.

His recent health challenges include a battle with septicemia that left him having to learn to walk again (a timer in his suite reminded him to stroll around every half-hour), but he still works six days a week.

While he writes, he listens to music: Renée Fleming, the Serbian composer Stevan Mokranjac, Sérgio Mendes. “You’re going to get a kick out of this,” he said, scrolling through the playlist on one of his computers. “Gonneke! Where’s ‘Brasileiro’ on here?”

His wife, a stylish platinum-haired woman whom Mr. Erhard leans on to negotiate the more mundane demands of life, helped him find the album by Mr. Mendes in question. The surdo-drum thumping of a batucada band filled the room.

In their downtime, the couple likes to travel. Tokyo, Amsterdam and London are favorite places, along with Hawaii and the West Coast, where Mr. Erhard’s seven children live. He now enjoys a very strong relationship with four of them, he said, and a good relationship with the other three.

He also has 11 grandchildren, and one of his current preoccupations is the numbing effects of digital technology on millennials. Warming to the subject, he read aloud another passage, this one from a dense Heidegger essay calling for a “comportment toward technology which expresses yes and at the same time no.”

”The cost to this generation is enormous,” Mr. Erhard said. “They are losing access to their humanity.”

Maintaining access to his own humanity may be Mr. Erhard’s biggest project. Floating around the screen of another computer was the word “impeccability,” a reminder, he said, “to deal with whatever I touch with care.” If he learned his lesson the hard way, maybe there is no easy way.

“Here’s how it is for me,” Mr. Erhard said, leaning in, giving his vocal cords a break. “When my integrity is lacking, I am clear that I just got to be a bit smaller as a person. And the thing you have to remember about integrity is it’s a mountain with no top.”

The clock chimed. He stood and stretched. Time for another few laps around the room.

 

A version of this article appears in print on November 29, 2015, on page ST1 of the New York edition with the headline: Werner Erhard.i

 

 


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LIVELINE DAY 3 on Palmarians

Dialogue Ireland can confirm that the Palmarian House at St Helens, 38 Haddon Road, Clontarf has been sold.

Maoist cult leader guilty over sex assaults and false imprisonment

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Dialogue Ireland appeared on Prime time when this story first broke.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2013/11/26/prime-time-on-the-implications-of-the-events-surrounding-the-women-in-capativity-for-30-years/

Aravindan Balkrishnan was known as 'Comrade Bala'

Aravindan Balkrishnan was known as ‘Comrade Bala’

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1204/751270-aravindan-balakrishnan-court/

Friday 04 December 2015

Maoist cult leader guilty over sex assaults and false imprisonment

Maoist cult leader Aravindan Balakrishnan, 75, has been found guilty of a string of sex assaults, cruelty to a child and false imprisonment following a trial at London’s Southwark Crown Court.

Balakrishnan known as Comrade Bala, carried out a “brutal” campaign of violence and “sexual degradation” against a number of women over several decades.

He brainwashed his followers into thinking he had God-like powers, and invented a supernatural force known as Jackie who, he said, could trigger natural disasters if his will was flouted.

After fathering a daughter with one of his acolytes, he kept her prisoner in their home for three decades.

Balakrishnan, of Enfield, north London, was found guilty of six counts of indecent assault and four counts of rape after a trial at London’s Southwark Crown Court.

He was also convicted of two counts of ABH, cruelty to a child under 16, and false imprisonment. He was cleared of one count of ABH and one count of indecent assault.

Balakrishnan’s daughter, now in her early 30s, only found out that her mother was Sian Davies, one of his acolytes, after the woman she knew as ‘Comrade Sian’ died when she was 13.

The daughter told the court how from early childhood she was constantly beaten and mentally brutalised by ‘Comrade Bala’.

She was never hugged, and was attacked for any minor transgression, including singing Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.

She described living in a cult where anyone outside their number was deemed a “fascist agent”, and in a stifled atmosphere of fear and paranoia where it was “a crime to imagine”.

Banned from school, leaving the house alone, from making friends, and stripped of any individual identity of her own, she wrote heartbreaking diaries describing herself as a “shadow woman”.

She was so lonely she even hugged the toilet and taps in the bathroom.

In one diary entry she wrote: “I’m always caged up, I feel caged like a wild animal.

“I have nothing to look forward to, I feel so miserable, so neglected.”

Deep scars

Her years of abuse and captivity have left deep scars – she has diabetes, did not know how to cross a road, handle money or get a bus ticket when she left the commune aged 30.

And while she scores highly in IQ tests, she has no formal education or qualifications.

Recently united for the first time with her family, the relatives of Ms Davies, she is now learning how to live a life free of abuse where she can, for the first time, make her own decisions.

The court heard that Balakrishnan created an atmosphere of fear and paranoia where the women were encouraged to inform on each other to gain his favour and attempt to achieve ideological purity.

He convinced them he could read minds, and that the outside world was swarming with “fascist agents” and “the party” only spoke through him.

His victims had to sing songs eulogising him and criticising themselves and others in group sessions reminiscent of early communist China.

Those who made the tiniest transgression, such as not taking the bins out on time or folding the laundry in the wrong way, would be beaten.

His tyrannical behaviour extended to sexual abuse, and he subjected two followers to demeaning assaults and rapes.

Balakrishnan was remanded in custody to be sentenced on 29 January.


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Mena Bean Ui Chribin and the Palmarians

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When this week as Joe Duffy interviewed many people affected by the Palmarians I thought it would be a good idea to make people aware of this story. However there was one drawback, namely the events in Roscommon back in 2009.

This was how Mena would come to be seen at the end of her life:

The role of Bean Ui Chribin, now a post-mistress in Santry, Dublin, would have been a bit part in an appalling tragedy but for the fact that by helping their mother take court action to keep her children eight years ago, the children were condemned to another four years of cruelty, inflicted on them under the noses of health workers who politely sipped tea in their front room.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ultracatholics-under-fire-over-horror-house-26508443.html

At the time she felt she was used as a scapegoat by the authorities. This was reported in her obituary in the Irish Times.

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/devout-catholic-who-was-a-strident-voice-on-social-and-moral-issues-1.535559

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2012/08/08/what-was-not-to-like/

http://thoughtactioneire.blogspot.ie/2012/08/mena-bean-ui-chribin.html

She said she was “since shocked to learn of the revelations that have unfolded”, and accused State authorities of seeking to scapegoat her to “deflect blame”.* (See video from Drive Time below.)

A fairer lens to look at the life of Mena Bean Ui Chribin is provided by her own grand child in this RTE Radio documentary. It makes her a more multidimensional person and sets her life in a much wider context.

http://presspack.rte.ie/2012/09/29/documentary-on-one-mine-bean-ui-chribin-my-granny/

Aine 24:40 Saw herself as joining a religious order rather than another Church. Aine 30:55 Had been in Palmarians 17 years.

I had met Mena Bean Ui Chribin around twenty years ago when I was asked to assist the family in regard to their daughter and sibling Aine Ni Chriobin who had  been a nun for 17 years in Spain with the Palmarian Church. I had formed a prejudiced view of Mena from the reports in the media over the previous 20 years. However, I was in fact to observe a family highly educated and socially active in the support of the vulnerable in Irish society. However, my only interest was in helping them to find a way to break the control of the Palmarians over Aine. We struggled to see how this could be brought about due to the difficulties in making contact. Later in the radio documentary you can see how the exit happened. I was able to interview her on her return and soon after that she was got married and found peace and reflected on her experience in a TG4 documentary released in 2000.  It revealed that Aine was sent, at the age of 17, to the cultist Catholic Palmarian Church in Spain where she spent 17 years before she was finally able to escape. Her brother Michael was also involved with some group but it never became clear before his death. I had one conversation with him and he gave me a book on Scientology which he had. Was he in fact also involved with Scientology, we just do not know.

In order to understand how Mena Bean Ui Chribin got involved with the Palmarians we have to understand the Ireland after Vatican II. Mena was into the Irish language and wanted to have a liturgy in Irish. So when Latin was replaced by English she saw this of robbing her of her Catholic Faith. So the move to the Palmarians was because she thought they would preserve the Latin liturgy. She saw the Catholic bishops in Ireland as being liberals and having sold out. She bought into their private revelation claims that the Virgin Mary had given them instructions to rid the Catholic Church of “heresy and progressivism”, and of Communism. In 1975, Domínguez formed a new religious order, the Order of Carmelites of the Holy Face, which claimed to be “faithful to the holy Pope Paul VI.” So the family joined the Palmarians and Aine like a lot of young people wanted to be part of the really committed so became a nun. So inadvertently Mena actually facilitated her daughter joining what she at first thought was a conservative Catholic order – Order of Carmelites of the Holy Face whereas what it was to become was more audacious it claimed to be the Catholic Church itself and that the Roman Catholic Church was the sect. As she grappled  with the issue of her daughter’s involvement with  the cultist Palmarians she sought to find her way back to her Church. But that was to come later. First she linked up with  The Society of St Pius X founded by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. You can see the immediate reason here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_St._Pius_X

The Society is known as a strong defender and proponent of the Tridentine Mass, along with pious practices, beliefs, customs and religious discipline often associated with the period before the Second Vatican Council, which the society believes promoted erroneous and heretical teachings, on matters such as the liturgical revision, ecumenism, freedom of religion, the supremacy of the Roman Catholic Church over other religions and relations with Jews. Accordingly, the society holds that their effort to preserve the Tridentine Mass along with its traditionalist pious practices rescued the value of tradition against modernism and the ongoing laxity of Catholic doctrine detrimentally caused by the Second Vatican Council.

So after Aine came back and after the death of John Paul II Mena was able to participate in the Tridentine rite as it had been allowed again by Benedict XVI. It was first at St Audoen’s, on High street before it moved to St Kevin’s Harrington Street. This is where her funeral mass was held.

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In addition to being a parish church, in September 2007 St Kevin’s became the home of the newly-established Latin Mass Chaplaincy, which draws people from all over the city of Dublin and beyond; see www.latinmassdublin.ie.

Here is a traditionalist view of the Palmarians:

http://www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/Antipope%20Gregory.htm

Dr. Magnus Lundberg of the Uppsala University, Department of Theology has written two very pieces on the The Palmarians.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/10/25/dr-magnus-lundberg-of-the-uppsala-university-department-of-theology-has-writen-important-material-on-the-palmarians/

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/christian/palmarian-church/

A religious picture in the window of the house in Faythe, Co Wexford where the body of the elderly woman was found

Read further background:

http://comeheretome.com/2012/07/06/mena-cribben-of-santry/

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Philip Boucher-Hayes looks at the woman who supported the Roscommon abuse parents in court.


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Radicalisation in Ireland, RTÉ report by Brian O’Connell

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Here we had a clear report from someone that had to have their identity hidden because of fear of being outed. Then we had Fawaz Gerges giving very clear insights into the radicalisation of youth. Ali Selim, for some reason is brought on by RTE? He immediately denies everything and tries to do the usual trick of turning this into his favourite menu item namely Islamophobia.

This report totally contradicts Ali Selim’s views:

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/02/12/newstalks-shona-murray-spoke-exclusively-to-abu-omar-not-his-real-name-who-was-a-group-leader-of-the-free-syrian-army/

It is exactly at this point Irish media can’t address the problem. Fawaz Gerges is so taken aback he begins to adjust his narrative. Everyone is bending over backwards to someone who is part of the problem not the solution. Why? Because in Ireland going back to Bertie Ahern’s period in office Clonskeagh Mosque has been treated as the Vatican of Islam in Ireland. This while knowing that each mosque is independent and Clonskeagh has raised issues of concern for years which instead of leading to investigation have instead led to endorsement and confusion. As the photo below shows the current government has continued this policy.

FG at Mosque

 

Note the Taoiseach, Enda Kenny and the Minister for Justice Frances Fitzgerald are not in talks with the mosque but seem to have joined their board. Normally when there are talks one is sitting across from ones dialogue partners.

We have outlined the history of Islam in Ireland which goes back to the fifties and the South African Muslims who came to study in Ireland from Apartheid South Africa.

You can find all about these origins by visiting our blog here:

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/islam/islamism/

Read more about Ali Selim here:

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/ali-selim%E2%80%99s-mask-begins-to-slip-by-our-irish-islamist-expert/

This article was written by a native of Saudi Arabia.

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Radicalisation in Ireland


18 December 2015
Brian O’Connell report, Fawaz Gerges, London School of Economics, Dr. Ali Selim, Islamic Centre, Clonskeagh in Dublin


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Merry Christmas 2015 and a Happy New Year 2016 to our readers and commenters

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Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all our commenters and readers of different faiths and none. We especially remember those struggling to help family members involved with a cult or someone trying to exit such a situation.

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May this year be one free of undue influence and may you experience freedom from the slavery of mind control. Thank you for your help in our mission to protect the Human Rights of people caught up in cults in 2015.

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The Strange Case of Bridie Crosbie by Pavel Barter

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Spain’s Palmarian Church with its self-appointed pope might seem like a joke but the death of a lonely spinster in Wexford shows it has a shadowy side for many in Ireland, writes Pavel Barter

Pope Gregory XVII flung open the doors and stormed into the church in Alba de Tormes, near Salamanca in Spain. Gregory marched up the aisle, while his accompanying bishops denounced women in the congregation for wearing trousers. Taking his place at the pulpit, he demanded that everyone renounce the heretic
John Paul II. “I am the one true pope,” he declared. But instead of falling to their knees, the worshippers ran off to get help.

According to a report in El Pais on May 18, 1982, the National Guard eventually
arrived and had to escort the renegade priests to safety, but not before the villagers pushed Gregory’s car into a river. It’s no wonder a former Irish member of the Palmarian church compares the organisation’s hierarchy to the Keystone Kops, but behind the often buffoonish behaviour of this splinter Catholic group lurks a more sinister tale.

“The Palmarians belong to the Noah’s Ark school of thought: they are the ones who
will be saved in the end. They totally renounce the outside world,” said Magnus Lundberg of Uppsala University in Sweden, author of a research paper on the church. Other critics suggest that church members are more likely to encounter isolation and abandonment than salvation.

In the Faythe area of Wexford town, Paddy Mulligan runs a funeral business near the home of Bridget Crosbie, an 84-year-old woman who lay dead for two months before
being discovered last November. “She wouldn’t answer the door to anybody,” said Mulligan. “She wouldn’t let her own family in. Religion had taken over and prevented
her from doing that.”

When Maria Hall read Crosbie’s story, she was saddened but not surprised. “I could see this having been my parents if I hadn’t got them out of the church,” said Hall, a New Zealander and author of Reparation: A Spiritual Journey, a memoir about being a Palmarian nun from 1982 to 1990. “I could see one of my parents dying and the other dying alone, and nobody in the family knowing.”

Other Irish families are dealing with similar concerns. Fiona (not her real name),
whose three siblings are members of the church, had not spoken to her brother for 11
years when she encountered him in Sandymount in 2014. “I drove up beside him with the passenger window rolled down and said, ‘It’s lovely to see you.’ He just turned on his heel and went in the opposite direction.”

Isolation is a core tenet of the church’s philosophy. “Look, dearest children,” reads one pamphlet, “owing to Palmarian disciplinary norms, so as not to be contaminated by the world, you find yourselves doing without many things, including relatives and friends to live practically alone.”

Fiona is “absolutely certain” that some Irish Palmarians have given money and inheritances to the church. “My family home will be left to Palmar, without doubt,” she said. A relative of Bridget Crosbie declined to comment on what would become of her Wexford home.

The Palmarian church operates behind a veil of secrecy. Former members believe it has about 300 members in Ireland and has been directed by Fr Geronsius, a Canadian missionary. In 1997, the group bought a property on Haddon Road, Clontarf, under the name of Manuel Corral, who “succeeded” Gregory XVII as Pope Peter II (2005-11). The property was sold last year, having been offered for €1.4m. David, a former member, believes that they have relocated to Lusk, Co. Dublin.

The church in Spain did not respond to a Sunday Times request for an interview, but, there was a time when Palmarians including relatives and friends opened their doors to the world.
It all began on March 30, that some Irish Palmarians 1968, when four girls claimed to have witnessed an apparitions of a “very beautiful lady” in a field near Palmar de
Troya, a town in Spanish Andalusia. Later that year Clemente Dominguez y
Gomez, an accountant, and Manuel Alonso Corral, his lawyer, arrived at the site.
According to Palmarian hagiographies, Dominguez began to have ecstatic experiences. Corral would record his friend’s heavenly communications for the benefit of pilgrims. In 1970, Dominguez was said to have received stigmata,
although some witnesses accused him of slicing his palms with glass.
There was Irish involvement from the earliest days of the church, according to
Lundberg. “There were messages published in English in 1970 destined
for an Irish readership. I have heard testimonies from the beginning of the 1970s of
many Irish pilgrims at Palmar de Troya. From around 1974, Palmarian messages were
about 300 members in Ireland being published in Northern Ireland.”

In 1974, Dominguez and Corral purchased the 15,000 sq metre field, building an elaborate shrine, and putting a wall around the site. They recruited Ngo Dinh Thuc, an elderly Vietnamese archbishop, to ordain them as bishops. The Vatican was not amused. From 1970, the archbishop of Seville denounced the apparitions. In 1975, the
papal nuncio in Spain excommunicated everyone involved in the consecrations. When the real Pope Paul VI died in 1978, Dominguez claimed he had received a heavenly instruction to transfer the Holy See from Rome to Palmar de Troya. The former accountant, who had been blinded two years previously in a car accident, appointed himself Gregory XVII.

“The Palmarian church is not a sect of Catholicism, it claims to be Catholicism,” said
Mike Garde of Dialogue Ireland,an anti-cult organisation. “[In their minds] the Roman Catholic Church is a heresy and they are the true church.” Between 1976 and 1978, 90 bishops were consecrated within the church. “Irish people made up the greatest single group,” said Lundberg. “They were an international bunch, but 25% were Irish, while only 20% were Spanish.” According to Maria Hall, the majority of nuns were Irish. Hall said she and her colleagues lived in Seville, rising at 6.40am, working, praying and travelling 45km to Palmar de Troya every day, before going
to bed at 2.30am. “We went for weeks at a time on dried bread, and an apple for
breakfast and dinner,” said Hall. “We were forced to pray with our arms extended, as
though on the cross, during all night vigils. The only time our arms came down was during benediction. Nobody was beating us, but if that’s not physical abuse I don’t know what is.” While the nuns lived a frugal existence, money flooded into the church from wealthy donors. A basilica was constructed at the apparition site,
with nine towers. Some Spanish news reports suggested Dominguez and his
confidants were living it up on donations.

The “pope” made frequent visits to Ireland to hold masses in hotel function rooms. However, according to Lundberg, he didn’t feel particularly welcome here. The antipathy is traced back to a trip in the mid1980s when Gregory XVII was
not greeted upon arrival at Dublin airport due to confusion over times. In November 2000, the pope expelled 18 bishops and seven nuns, accusing them of plotting against him. Madre Maria Goretti, an Irish sister who was expelled, left the order to set up
her own group in Granada. Hall had departed a decade previously after having a nervous breakdown. “I was hallucinating. I got to the point where I thought Pope Gregory could read my mind, mainly because I was so isolated,” she said. After Dominguez died in 2005 and passed the papacy to Corral, the church’s rules
became stricter. Since then bans have been introduced on everything from organ transplants to Christmas trees. Palmerian material states that Aids is a “plague permitted by God”, condoms are “accursed”, while painting, sculpture and music are an “aberration”.

Sergio Maria, aka Pope Gregory XVIII, pontiff since Corral’s death in 2011, is said to
be a former officer in the Spanish army: a good fit for the church’s militaristic teachings. Former members speak of armed guards patrolling the inner walls of the basilica in Palmar de Troya. “They have permission from the Spanish authorities to arm the guards,” said Hall. “There were apparently some incidents of
vandalism, intimidation, and harassment of the pilgrims.” The church’s tightening
rules and self-imposed isolation have resulted in a decline in membership. Between 1976 and 2005, more than 192 Palmarian bishops were consecrated.

About 133 have since left, been expelled or died. Nevertheless the church has
continued to inherit large sums from donors. In 2003, the Palmarians sold their buildings in Seville for €3.5m. In 2014, 36 years after construction began,
work on the basilica was completed. “Finances have improved considerably under
the third Palmarian pontificate,” said Lundberg. Maria Hall is relieved to have
left. “I think they’re crazy, totally misguided,” she said. “They’re not being directed by God. I don’t think for a second that their priests or nuns have any role at all on the planet. It’s very sad. It is a cult.”

Membership may be falling, but stories of people affected by the Palmarian church can be found throughout Ireland: a father whose children refuse to speak to him; parents who shun their children; an airport baggage handler trying to make sense of his years as a former Palmarian bishop; the curtains drawn across a terraced house in Wexford town. “It’s a tragedy for such a lovely woman,” said Paddy Mulligan, looking out his office window at Crosbie’s empty home. “She never did hurt nor
harm to anybody.”


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David Bowie, Mary Finnegan and the Marketing of Tibetan Lamas

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BY CHRIS CHANDLER

 

http://www.extibetanbuddhist.com/2016/01/11/david-bowie-mary-finnegan-and-the-marketing-of-tibetan-lamas/

Mary Finnegan has a new book about David Bowie called the Psychedelic Suburbia: David Bowie and the Beckenham Arts Lab.

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You can read it in about two hours. It’s all  about who was there, who was who and  leaves one with the feeling of who cares.  Well  aficionados of David Bowie days will care and read it, particularly now that he is dead,  and young people into bi-sexuality and  sex, rock and roll and the drug scene.   A pretty large marketable crowd.

What is interesting is that in Mary’s blog post,  in 2013,  in the archives at  her website: Flower Raj,  when plugging her upcoming book,  she talks about  her motivation for writing a book:  i.e.  to rehabilitate Tibetan Buddhism,  that she says has gone down a  wrong path. This is  because, she says then,  of corrupt Tibetan  lamas and the naivete of flower children,  like  Mary.

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In this archived blog post, she also says she became a one-woman activist to expose Sogyal and his corruptions, as well as the shadow side of Tibetan Buddhism, which she knew quite well. And she was a “one woman activist” and she did expose Sogyal , relentlessly. She knew him well . She was one of Sogyal’s long-time students who even ‘pimped” to find young women to join his Lama harem as she write this experience about it in her article about Sogyal “Behind the Thankas.” She was a feminist voice for the many women that had been abused by Sogyal. Another feminist voice that appears to be silenced.

Yes, Norbu is a genius, Mary.

He made sure Mary didn’t write that other book, the one about Sogyal and all the the corruptions of the exiled Tibetan Lamas- their “greed” and “sexual exploitation” and their “political skulduggery. ” Instead she wrote Norbu’s book, a subtle marketing tool for Tibetan Buddhism. A book that is about putting Tibetan Buddhism only in a good light. In fact, Sogyal is not mentioned at all, and Tibetan Buddhism is barely mentioned, except to say how wonderful it was to Bowie and Mary Finnegan. It certainly reveals none of the shadow side that was Mary’s first intent, i.e. writing her expose about the terrible sexual abuses of these lamas and its very dark side. Instead Mary’s Tibetan Buddhism is just piggybacked on a book about David Bowie that is sure to sell, at least for a while. That’s enough for the lamas. After all the Dalai Lama’s picture to sell Apple computers was enough to keep a halo on him for decades. So why not try it again? With David Bowie. There will be a surge of interest with his passing. Good timing, particularly since Tibetan Buddhism is rightfully being held in such disrepute, at least by those that actually want to know the facts and not the fairy tales.

Mary’s book will now  pair  Tibetan Buddhism  with a popular brand name “David Bowie”   and it will do exactly what Mary’s first book was going to expose and condemn:  i.e. marketing their tantric  Vajrayana Buddhism as  the lamas’  “greatest asset” to a new group of “naive  westerners” and  retro-hippie millennials,  including those  interested in the history of  the rock and roll scene, bi-sexuality and drugs. They will see  David Bowie as their  new “saint” and role model along with Alan Ginsberg and Tibetan Buddhism as something only wonderful  will subliminally be planted in their minds.

The Tibetan lamas are nothing, if not clever marketing professionals. After all, they have had over a thousand years to perfect their art.

But their enrollments are dwindling in the West and they need more naive young people, like Mary and her rock and roll bunch, her drug friends, rock and roll groupies, and aspiring stars. They are targeting quite aggressively another intellectually lost generation of trust-fund kids, the same groups the lamas targeted in the 1960’s on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean. Trungpa did the same thing here with Joni Mitchell and others in the California rock and roll scene. It gave him overnight status and swelled his Tibetan tantra sanghas. Tibetan Buddhism got a lot of mileage with Allen Ginsberg and the poetry scene,as well. They even created Naropa Insitute to serve as a constant recruiting tool that is still inducting these young into Tibetan Buddhism. The rock and roll and the literati , along with the Hollywood glitterati , are always the “marketing assets” of the Tibetan lamas who are hoping they can cash in on this again and soon.
What she leaves out of her blog  post,  written in 2013,   under “controversy”  is that Namkai Norbu was there,  in the  middle of the circle of celebrity lamas and their  wagons, protecting Sogyal the abuser,  when the  CBC documentary in Canada  aired.   This endorsement of Sogyal by her new teacher was while Mary was  attempting to expose Sogyal through her  “one woman activism” and   writings.

In fact, Namkai Norbu, wrote glowing  letter of endorsement for  Sogyal in the summer of 2011, right after the  expose film was released.  He  had a picture taken of the two of them,  glad-handing and arm hugging.  Both letter and picture were  immediately put up on  Sogyal’s “Rigpa”  website as damage control for all the Tibetan lamas, who were panicking, knowing how dangerous this film was to all of them.

Mary also seems oblivious  to the fact that Namkai Norbu  would not appreciate her “one woman activism” at all.  He  had come out officially in his own sangha against “feminism” explicitly, and had  hounded Tsultrim Allione into ‘heretic land”  along with the rest of  the Lama mafia, compelling her  into silence,   for trying  to expose the sexual abuse of these high Tibetan lamas.   She, too,  was silenced –  with a hat of her own  and a throne.

Norbu had actually declared that “feminism and Dzogchen, ”  his specialty Buddhist practice, “could never be compatible.” Meaning you couldn’t be a feminist and a Dzogchen practitioner at the same time.  I wonder if Mary knows that?  The younger generation of women that Mary is targeting by writing this book should surely know it and soon.

Yet,  interestingly Mary can still refer to herself as  a ‘feminist’  and a  Dzogchen student of Norbu , without the predictable  Norbu condemnation.  May I suggest what has changed is that the Tibetan Lamas have taken up one of their many politically- correct masks for the West  called    “feminism,”  created to fool all  Western women  into believing this is  one of their activist agendas too.  That’s what the Dalai Lama said,   “I am a feminist”  while  turning  everything in Western culture,  that differentiates us from an  eleventh century   medieval,  misogynistic  patriarchy,  into just  empty, double talk  and words that substitute for the real thing. Like “feminism,” “gender equality,”  and “peace.”  That is one of the lama’s hidden skills. Creating “empty vessels”  who become guru worshipers that just mouth the words.

Now Mary, too, like Western Tibetan Buddhists feminists before her who have tried to speak out, is probably never going to speak a negative word about her Tibetan masters, her gurus and their sexual abuse again. That’s what usually happens when the lamas fold someone back in their Tibetan Buddhist net. Tantra means “net.” Her lips are probably sealed. Because, as Mary writes in her post, “More than once I was on the point of walking away and never coming back” but the lamas could never could let that happen. Not with what Mary knows.

So thanks to Norbu’s ” genius” Mary says, her walking away, ” never quite happened.”
They “got cha ” Mary.

These clever lamas.

They almost always do.

Particularly the flower children that want to still live in the twenty-something world of their old rock and roll glory days.  After all,  it is the dream world that Norbu has always said is what is “really true.”

 

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Bowie’s summer of love: Interview with Mary Finnigan

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Interview with Mary Finnigan, the author of a new memoir, “Psychedelic Suburbia” By Julia Llewellyn Smith Published: 10 January 2016 in the Sunday Times

 

Bowie’s summer of love

In 1969, before he found fame, the singer brought the Soho life to suburban Beckenham. His landlady and lover, who has just written her memoir, tells Julia Llewellyn Smith of sex, drugs and floor cushions
Julia Llewellyn Smith Published: 10 January 2016

David Bowie removing his stage make-up in 1973: ‘He was a very hard-working guy, completely focused on his music’ David Bowie removing his stage make-up in 1973: ‘He was a very hard-working guy, completely focused on his music’
The suburbs have always been mocked by intellectuals as bastions of conformity, stultifying dormitories at the end of railway lines that the young and artistic chafed against and fled from as soon as possible. But nearly 50 years ago, for a few happy months, the southeast London commuter town of Beckenham was a hotbed of creativity and alternative living.

At the centre of this explosion of inventiveness was blond, curly-haired, 22-year-old David Jones, the son of a Dr Barnardo’s promotions officer, who changed his name to David Bowie and, with like-minded suburban visionaries, introduced Californian counterculture to one of our safest Conservative seats.

“Between April and September 1969, suburban Beckenham fizzed with energy and excitement and the residents rose to the occasion,” recalls Bowie’s then landlady and lover, Mary Finnigan, the author of a new memoir, Psychedelic Suburbia, which catalogues her time with the rock star just as he became famous.
A finishing-school alumna from genteel Cheshire, Finnigan, now 77, was living at Flat 1, 24 Foxgrove Road, with her two young children from a failed marriage, surviving on benefits and occasional freelance journalism, which introduced her to the booming London underground scene with its emphasis on psychedelic drugs, promiscuity and Gaia — unity with the cosmos.

The neighbouring elegant villas were occupied by prosperous commuters whose children attended private school with Finnigan’s offspring (her ex-husband paid the fees). But Finnigan set about transforming her flat into an outpost of Soho, selling her antique dining table and replacing it with floor cushions, kaftans, beads and candles.

“The coffee mornings and cocktail party invitations faded away and I was snubbed in the pub,” she recalls. Her appalled mother demanded that social services intervene, but after a cursory visit they left her alone.

In April 1969 Finnigan — now a grandmother of three and a committed Buddhist — was pottering in her garden when she heard Bowie, who was visiting his former school friend Barry Jackson, playing his 12-string Gibson guitar from an upstairs window and invited him to share her tincture of cannabis.

“David had never tried tincture before and was very appreciative,” she recalls, sitting in her incense-scented living room in Bristol. “It was quite legal, there were four doctors in London who’d prescribe it, but then it ran out and never came back.”

Bowie was living with his parents in nearby Bromley so — after a long conversation about their shared passion for then outré Buddhism — Finnigan asked him to become her lodger, charging £5 a week. “But I never got any cash,” she laughs.

A couple of days later he moved into the spare room, greeting her children on their return from school by asking to play them his new song, Space Oddity. “David really engaged with the children. He’d compose sitting on the swing in the garden while they messed around beside him — and they loved him.”

With no gigs on the horizon Bowie was nonetheless a grafter, composing late into the night. “He was a very, very hard-working guy, completely focused on and motivated by his music. He wasn’t recognised by the business at the time, he was seen as too arty, but I think he never had any doubts he would be a star. He actually very rarely did drugs, he preferred alcohol; he told me he had never done LSD because he was frightened of losing control,” Finnigan says.

Bowie’s work ethic didn’t extend to housework, but a few days after he had moved in, Finnigan returned to an unusually clean kitchen and the children tucked up in bed. “David had cooked for me — I can’t remember what now, but it was all right, and afterwards we had a spliff, he played me his favourite music and seduced me,” she chortles. He was, as she recalls in her book, “very horny and sexually sophisticated”.

Shortly afterwards, Bowie moved in huge amounts of musical equipment, making Finnigan’s living room his de facto recording studio. “I was very docile — I wouldn’t have put up with any of it now,” she says. “David was never rude, he was very gentle, but he had a forceful personality and was used to getting his own way.”

To raise some cash, Bowie suggested that they organise a folk club. After scouring the area for potential venues, they settled on the Three Tuns, a “slightly seedy” mock-Tudor pub in Beckenham High Street, which Finnigan transformed into an outpost of San Francisco’s Haight-Ashbury with candles and Indian bedspreads. Bowie put on a mesmeric performance and, as word spread, he and his folk musician friends played every Sunday to growing crowds.

“There was a buzz in the air — excitement at being in on the start of something new,” Finnigan says. “Something the young people of the suburbs had heard about and perhaps even experienced in London was now happening at walking distance from their parental homes.”

The Foxgrove Road flat became the “Court of King David” with “long-haired, acid-dropping flower children and freaks” constantly turning up on the doorstep dressed in velvet loon pants and bearing obscure musical instruments. They came from every social background and mainly from other unglamorous south London suburbs — Orpington, Chiselhurst, Crystal Palace and Croydon.

Music boomed out all day and the air was thick with marijuana, to the horror of the nuns at the nearby convent school attended by Finnigan’s daughter. In her living room the flower children enthusiastically dropped acid, swapped partners and discussed way-out topics such as yoga, healthy eating and meditation. “An awful lot [that] we take for granted now was initiated then,” she says.

All over the home counties and beyond, similar scenes were playing out. Since the beginning of the century commuterland had mushroomed as a haven for the burgeoning white-collar classes, derided by the likes of John Betjeman and HG Wells (another Bromley native) for its narrow-mindedness. But postwar its children — lower-middle-class boys such as Mick Jagger (Dartford), Ray Davies (Muswell Hill) and Roger Daltrey (Acton) — were revolting against their bourgeois roots, transforming these rows of semis and neatly cut lawns into a cauldron of creativity.

“Where I grew up had the perfect combination of dullness and security to nurture a writer,” says Jonathan Coe, whose latest novel is Number 11, recalling his 1970s childhood in Lickey Hills outside Birmingham.

“Looking back, I was bored without realising that I was bored, but I felt completely safe and, more importantly, it gave me the imaginative space to dream of different worlds; wider, more exciting, not necessarily better. It was the very uneventfulness of life in the suburbs that turned so many of us into creators.”

Traditionally, artists escape the suburbs for the bright lights as soon as they can. Bowie and Finnigan, on the other hand, were intent on bringing their countercultural delights to the outer boroughs. Their next move was to recreate the legendary Drury Lane Arts Lab — the central London creative hub where John Lennon and Yoko Ono’s first joint artwork was exhibited — in Beckenham, whose only previous claim to artistic fame was having been the childhood home of Enid Blyton.

Dog-walkers in the park watched bemused as a shirtless Bowie directed rehearsals of avant-garde dance, music and puppetry in preparation for Saturday street theatre in front of the supermarket on the high street.

“We were concerned that the wackiness and exotic costumes might be too much for the locals, but they were enchanted,” Finnigan says.

“It was the perfect moment, when the older generation’s initial terror at the hippie movement had subsided and they realised we were actually just rather sweet and naive.”

By this time Finnigan had fallen in love with Bowie. But one day she returned to Foxgrove Road to find a glamorous 19-year-old American at the kitchen stove and with her things installed in Bowie’s room. Without embarrassment she introduced herself as his girlfriend Angela Barnett.

“David just moved Angie in, without ever apologising or asking permission, and I put up with it,” Finnigan exclaims. “Later, I found out he’d been two-timing me with her all along, staying with her whenever he was in London. I was very shocked and even more when years later I found out it wasn’t even just Angie; he’d been all over the place with women and men.”

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Despite the heartbreak, Finnigan enjoyed Angie’s company: “She was a brilliant cook and had a genius for making a home cosy.” She was also given to “throwing massive wobblies when she wasn’t the centre of attention”. Bowie described life with her as like “living with a blowtorch”.

“That’s accurate,” Finnigan says. “But he was besotted and put up with a lot of histrionics.”

Despite some of his dalliances, Finnigan believes Bowie was never bisexual at heart: “It was opportunist, it chimed with the zeitgeist.” Angie, however, was the real deal and shortly after moving in she tried to seduce Finnigan to make amends for stealing her boyfriend.

“We went out for dinner in Beckenham High Street with her dressed in a tweed suit and a shirt and tie,” Finnigan recalls.

“Then back home she steered me into the bedroom. I was utterly gobsmacked, quite flattered by the attention but bemused. I went along with it because I was so docile, but it was a total failure. Still, there were no hard feelings afterwards and we carried on as before.”

Meanwhile, the Lab continued to flourish with rock stars such as Peter Frampton and Rick Wakeman and the composer Lionel Bart travelling from their West End haunts to perform. “Lionel had the hots for David and turned up at Foxgrove Road one day, making it very clear my presence wasn’t welcome,” Finnigan says. “He gave me the keys to the Roller and told me to go away and play and I think David told Angie to disappear too. For a rising star, Lionel’s patronage would have been very useful.”

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The ultra-respectable Bromley arts centre asked members of the Lab to appear. Stumped as to what would be suitable for its middle-class patrons, they chose Chime Rinpoche, one of only four Tibetan lamas then living in the UK, to speak. A puzzled but enthusiastic audience, perched on gilt chairs, asked questions such as “What is meditation?” They loved Chime and he returned several times to talk about subjects such as compassion.

Two decades later Hanif Kureishi, an old boy of Bowie’s former school Bromley Tech, wrote the loosely autobiographical The Buddha of Suburbia, featuring haunts such as the Three Tuns, and with a petit-bourgeois teenage hero desperate to escape his mundane surroundings yet cursed with the fear of being found out.

These sentiments resonated with Bowie, who appeared in the novel as the thinly veiled Charlie Kay and wrote the music for the 1993 BBC adaptation, including the eponymous theme tune with its lyrics: “Englishmen going insane / Down on my knees in suburbia / Down on myself in every way.”

Events peaked in August when Bowie, Finnigan and friends threw a “free festival”, modelled on Woodstock in New York state, at the local recreation ground. It was attended by more than 1,000 blissed-out revellers. Bowie’s father had died only a few days previously, but the singer put on a mesmeric performance and later wrote Memory of a Free Festival in homage.

After that the party ended. To Finnigan’s relief (“It was all just too decadent and I had children”), Angie and Bowie moved to Haddon Hall, a converted mansion a few roads away, where orgies regularly took place. They married and had a son, Zowie, but Angie was “not the epitome of hands-on motherhood” and when they divorced in 1980 Bowie sued her for custody. “David was a doting father from the word go. He took his responsibilities very seriously,” Finnigan says. “But he was also on the stardom express train.”

Masterminded by Angie, Bowie moved away from his folk origins, cutting his hair and dying it red to become a more commercially viable glam rocker. His fame grew rapidly, he abandoned Beckenham for Chelsea and the suburb’s arty aspirations died. “As David became famous he lost the inclusiveness he’d had when he was still struggling and became a bit aloof and snooty and self-important,” says Finnigan, who hasn’t spoken to him in 43 years.

Today Bowie is estimated to be worth £120m and lives quietly in Manhattan with his wife Iman, the supermodel, having quit touring in 2004 after a heart attack. On Friday — his 69th birthday — he released his 27th studio album, Blackstar.

Finnigan stayed friends with Angie, only falling out recently when Angie took offence at Finnigan’s criticisms of her book Lipstick Legends. Angie is currently appearing in Celebrity Big Brother on Channel 5.

“That’s a train crash waiting to happen,” Finnigan sighs. “But Angie’s her own worst enemy, she doesn’t realise her limitations. She sacrificed her own aspirations for David, then thought, ‘It’s my turn now’, but she was reaching beyond her skill set.”

London’s commuter belt continued to be a petri dish for talent — Billy Idol and Siouxsie Sioux grew up in Bromley, the Stranglers formed in Guildford, Paul Weller was born in Woking. But as soon as possible they all headed to the metropolis to experience the joys of the inner city.

Beckenham returned to its starchy everydayness. The Foxgrove Road flat and Haddon Hall were knocked down by developers and the Three Tuns is a “sterile” Zizzi pizzeria “devoid of any form of atmosphere”. Two years ago Finnigan and friends threw another free festival but the council rejected requests to make it an annual event.

It may be that another creative heyday is on the horizon, as artists banished from the inner cities by rising rents have started to colonise the outer boroughs. Yet Finnigan doubts that history could repeat itself.

“Beckenham in 1969 had a magic moment, extraordinary things happened and the entire community got drawn in, but then it reverted to type. I’m not sure it could happen again. Our generation had the best sex, the best drugs and the best music.”

Psychedelic Suburbia: David Bowie and the Beckenham Arts Lab is published by Jorvik Press, £14.95

http://jorvikpress.com/books/psychedelic-suburbia/

Yesterday on RTE Mary Finnigan gave a brief interview about Bowie. You can find it from 9:35 to12:15

Here is the her blog where you can see the origins of her book. We will tell the story of how Mary gave up her battle to show the abuse in Lamaism and decided to instead try to become a celebrity on the basis of her seduction by Bowie in 1969.

http://blog.theflowerraj.org/category/mary-finnigan/

 


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How equipped are we as a nation to combat the threat from Islamic terrorism?

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RTE PRIME TIME REPORT BY RICHARD DOWNES

http://www.rte.ie/news/player/2016/0119/20915111-how-equipped-are-we-as-a-nation-to-combat-the-threat-from-islamic-terrorism/

Broadcast on: January 19th, 2016

PARTICIPANTS: Ed Burke, Anthony Gleese and John Mooney.

Ed Burke was quite critical of the manner in which security is being addressed in Ireland. He spoke about “Ireland being under resourced and also under prepared.”

In fact he was of the opinion Ireland was the weakest link in Europe.

Dave McInerney representing the community and integration elements in the Gardai felt their methodology of liaising with the mosques was the best one. They found that the mosques reported extremists to them and they handed them over to the security branch.

DI had been briefed by Shaheed Satardien a South African Muslin in 2005 about the activities in the mosques.

Here is the archive from that period:

http://www.dialogueireland.org/dicontent/a2z/islamism/islamism.html

As he was Arabic speaking he was able to give us a fairly good understanding of the activities and goals of the mosques at that time.  This information was made available to Michael McDowell and to Brian Lenihan later. Though at that time the many of the mosques were funded by the Maktoum’s of Dubai it was clear that they were directly under the influence of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood (MB.) In fact they were the HQ for the MB in Europe. Their methodology was similar to that of the Men of the IRB in 1916 which infiltrated democratic organisations to further their goals. In Ireland the goal of the MB is to not to have Muslims from various nations integrate but rather to create multicultural ghettos with separate schools and a Muslim way of life. Ali Selim the spokesperson for the Clonskeagh mosque clearly stated on a radio programme in 2006 the desire to set up a Sharia sub culture in Ireland. So they will publically attack those that want to use direct force to achieve their goals and will seek concessions as a reward to be treated as a distinct group. Now we must not confuse their aims with the general Muslim population which is unaware of these goals. In fact the majority of Muslims who attend Clonskeagh would be unaware of the majority of the content of the sermons an d prayers as they are not Arabic speaking. Since that time the Maktoums and every Emerite other than Qatar has moved against the MB seeing them as a threat to their states. In the meantime the MB took power in Egypt and it is likely that the Clonskeagh mosque and others were funded directly from Egypt.

Morsi’s Islamist agenda with its support for Hamas which is in the peculiar position of being the Palestinian branch of the MB, but at the same time in league with Iran to import the missiles it fires into Israel. It also supports the Syrian dictatorship along with Russia, Hezbollah in the Lebanon against the mainly Sunni Muslims who rose up against the dictatorship. In other words Islamists can even overcome the divisions of Shia and Sunni not to mention the unbelieving Baathist’s in Syria. We can see how the younger Hallawa was caught in the crossfire of the transition from being a member of the MB establishment to find himself in the terrorist category in defending Morsi when Sisi took over. Sisi is not like Mubarak just a strong man he happens to be a strong Muslim who is trying to remove the cancer of the MB from Egypt. We can see that that the Arab Spring has forced us to see the consequences of removing Dictators so we have to remember what it is like to live in these states for ordinary people.

So in Ireland the questions I would like to see answered are?

Do the Gardai and our Foreign Missions have Arabic and Urdu speakers in their ranks or available to them in regard to their work?

Why as I mentioned a few weeks ago do the media and the Government treat Clonskeagh as the Vatican of Irish Muslims? Why if we have the knowledge we have do the government continue the practice of the Fianna Fail Government of treating Clonskeagh as the official representatives of Islam?

FG at Mosque

Note the Minister for Justice is standing next to the treasurer of the MB for Europe Dr. Nooh Al-Kaddo a senior member of the mosque.

Also why is the security of the state filtered through these representatives?

I already published this article nearly 6 years ago and repeated it again when Ali Selim categorically claimed there were no radicalised persons in Ireland.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/ali-selim%E2%80%99s-mask-begins-to-slip-by-our-irish-islamist-expert/

This article was written by a native of Saudi Arabia.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/12/23/radicalisation-in-ireland-rte-report-by-brian-oconnell/

The person I have been observing for some time and one gets the feeling he might hold the key to achieving clarity in the whole area of Islamism here in Ireland is Sam Najjair.

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He is a good friend of Bazil Ashmawy , commonly known as Baz Ashmawy who had two programmes on RTE 2 before Christmas around his relationship to Islam.

http://www.independent.ie/migration_catalog/article25316208.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/Baz-Ashmawy

In this programme he is insistent that there is “No justification for any Irish person to get involved in Syria.” He should know he has extensive experience of fighting in both Libya and Syria. He is clearly distinguishing between campaign of against a dictator and one which involves the transformation of the mind to the point that the person is totally under undue influence and thought reform. Listen to him speak and say Ali Selim. He is clear and is not bound by an ideological thought form. He sees Daesh as an enemy of the Libyan and Syrian people and by extension the Irish people. So he is not motivated by Islamism but by humanitarianism and his Muslim faith.

Issues that this programme raises are:

  1. Do we require a Defence Policy? No real Defence policy exists and recent discussion on the subject is really muted. We also require a security committee involving the Department of the Taoiseach, Justice and Defence and experts in cult studies, psychology and security as too often the processes involved in the radicalisation of persons are misunderstood. Most media commentary involves security experts and even the leading commentator on this area of the world Robert Fisk agrees we are dealing with a cult.

 

 

 

 


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Shaykh Umar Al-Qadri resigns from Muslim Brotherhood HQ

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Shaykh Umar Al Quadri

DI first became aware of Shaykh Umar Al-Qadri in around 2006 when he joined the Council of Imans. This council was established to minimise the influence of Shaheed Satardien who had worked in the Mosques at Clonskeagh and the South Circular Road. He had also established a Council, “The Supreme Muslim Council of Ireland.”

This Supreme Muslim Council of Ireland was in reality a very weak grouping but as Shaheed could articulate the issues clearly the Imam council was reactive and in practice was in reality a cover for the Clonskeagh mosque. It has no real agenda and it feeds the lie that Clonskeagh speaks on behalf of all Muslims in Ireland.

FG at Mosque

He as an Arabic speaker was party to the activities and plans of those running these mosques. He began to to speak out and was the main critic of what he saw was not just a Muslim Brotherhood front but a clear platform to extend an Islamist agenda of Sharia law in Ireland.

This was to be achieved not by jihadist attacks but due to their numbers being quite small they wished to influence the GOI and then from this gain concessions from Irish society. They managed to sell themselves as the spokespersons for Islam even though the only Muslims they represented were a narrow coterie of mainly Arab Muslims with a strong Libyan tendency. In Ireland the Libyan Muslims though the most established were the most radical as they came from a society where all dissent was wiped out. Though we had briefed both Minister’s McDowell and Lenihan there was no obvious action taken by the State.

In West Dublin there was a bit of rivalry between Satardien and Al-Qadri for the moderate role. However, in 2007 there was a major conference in Brussels to discuss the issue of Islamism and the need to include it in the whole field of cultism. In fact at that time in Europe and there is still tendency to treat Islamism as a security issue. This then leaves the intellectual analysis to the people whose job it is to actually investigate the issues. This leads to a loss of focus and no proper means to understand the processes which impact those in their midst. I will write up an analysis of the Belgium situation in due course. Needless to say Belgium cult experts cancelled my participation in a cult consultation and instead I took the opportunity to visit the Commission and the Justice Section where my views were readily welcomed and in October of 2007 a delegation was invited to participate in a conference on the radicalisation of youth. Satardien it was hoped would be a leader in this work throughout Europe. He obviously though was no longer a source for what was going on in the Arabic speaking mosques due to his public stance. However, we were building a greater European platform and we already knew the what we were dealing with in the mosques. However, early in 2008 we discovered that Satardien was compromised in regard to his involvement with the Moonies and Scientology. This involved his attempt to obtain a doctorate here in Ireland. He was already calling himself Dr which was related to his work as Naturopath. He has not been seen for years but a recent look at his CV suggests another doctorate has emerged? Recent reports suggest he has returned to South Africa. Al-Qadri was naturally drawn to Satardien but he began to note a tendency to exaggerate, to make claims which were totally unwarranted. He had become the darling of the Irish media and at first his narrative made clear sense. However, gradually the bubble burst and though his analysis of what was happening was totally accurate he gradually became involved with promoting himself and lost all connection with reality.

From the Wikileaks material from 2006 it is clear that Al-Qadri was opposed to developments in Clonskeagh.

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DUBLIN798_a.html

 

RTÉ – This Week

Retirement of Shaykh Umar Al-Qadri
24 January 2016
Shaykh Umar Al- Qadri joined us in studio to discuss his resignation from the Irish council of Imams and his concerns about extremism.

Here his unequivocal position here:

It is interesting to note how closely Al-Quadri was questioned but I am not aware of a single interview where Ali Selim is questioned in a similar way. He is treated in the same way say a religious leader is interviewed with deference.

http://www.islamiccentre.ie/imam-resigns-from-the-irish-council-of-imams/

We will be trying to catch up with Al-Qadri to understand what positions he holds now. In looking at his resignation correspondence what is very concerning is that Ismael Kotwal formerly of the Black Pitts, Mosque and has broken with the Bari family and moved to Cork Street but seems to be involved with the Imam Council.

http://www.islamireland.ie/news/the-irish-council-of-imams-meeting-at-the-icc/

However, in the 2006 Prime time documentary he expresses support for Osama Bin Laden. His involvement confirms our position that the Irish State needs to clarify its relationship with Clonskeagh. We will have to see if Al-Qadri’s peace position is absolute or only part of his own campaign here in Ireland. Does he have similar views about Syria, Israel and the Islamist takeover of Turkey?

 


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Best of The Right Hook: Muslim cleric resigns

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He’s joined by Shaykh Dr Umar Al-Qadri, Imam at the Al-Mustafa mosque in Blanchardstown, who explains the reasons behind his resignation from the Irish Council of Imams.

https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/The_Right_Hook/Today_on_the_Right_Hook/122304/Sexton_should_retire__Imam_Resigns__Vinyls_are_back

It is clear that Umar Al-Qadri is not actually taking a position on evaluating the mosques in regard to their connections with radicalism. He is putting his religious belief in the unity of Islam above his message of peace. He clearly does not name names and in fact his letter of resignation is more about process than substance. He is on a journey but still does not name what is going on. Clonskeagh and the SCR Mosque are clearly linked with the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas so it is time to see what his analysis is.

http://www.islamiccentre.ie/imam-resigns-from-the-irish-council-of-imams/

Up to now his commentary is big on peace but very limited in its analysis of the actual of groupings that he has concerns about.


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A former member of the Church of Scientology was warned by a judge

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Ex-Scientologist warned to stay away from church

Zabrina Collins realises she exaggerated her claims

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Scientologist: Email could have been more temperate

January 29, 2016

Zabina Collins, a leading member of the Church of Scientology in Ireland, has told a judge she “could have been a little more temperate” about what she had to say in an email to a school principal complaining about a former church member’s talk to schoolboys on cults.

Church of Scientology member Zabina Collins, who is being sued for defamation by Peter Griffiths. Picture: Courts Collins

Ms Collins, who admitted in court to having had a teenage drugs and heavy drinking problem, is being sued for defamation by Peter Griffiths, of Cual Gara, Teeling St, Ballina, Co Mayo, for what his counsel, Seamus Ó Tuathail, described as “a vicious character attack”.

“I could have dealt with it in a more temperate way,” Ms Collins said of her complaint to the headmaster of St David’s CBS in Artane, Dublin, following a post on the internet by Mr Griffiths of what he had said to the school’s Leaving Certificate boys in a talk on cults.

She told counsel John Smith, who appeared with Mr Ó Tuathail and solicitor Cormac Ó Ceallaigh, that she had sent the headmaster a link to an online video showing a picture of Mr Griffiths naked, with only a Guy Fawkes mask covering his genitals.

Ms Collins, a Dublin chiropractic clinic director, of The Boulevard, Mount Eustace, Tyrelstown, Dublin 15, told Judge James O’Donohue she had written to the school principal as a concerned parent and not to besmirch Mr Griffiths.

She earlier told her counsel, Frank Beatty, that while she did not have a child attending St David’s, she was involved in tutoring children on drugs awareness and felt she had a duty to complain.

In her email, Ms Collins alleged Mr Griffiths’ talk had centred on Scientology, which counts actors Tom Cruise and John Travolta as members, and accused him of “openly and viciously” slandering the church. She accused him of being “an avid hate campaigner against Scientologists”, and “hate-mongering” against the church and of being under garda surveillance.

The court heard that a teacher from St David’s had asked Mr Griffiths to address school pupils on cults and that it was Mr Griffiths who had posted an audio clip of his talk online, in which warned the boys of the dangers of getting involved with the Church of Scientology which, he said, might destroy their lives.

Mr Griffiths said he had been shocked, horrified, and appalled when he had obtained sight of Ms Collins’s allegations in which there was “not a grain of truth”.

He said her statements had lowered his reputation in the minds of right-thinking people while holding him up to hatred, ridicule, and contempt.

Ms Collins is a daughter of publican Frank Shortt, who was falsely accused by corrupt gardaí of allowing drug dealing in the nightclub he owned in Donegal.

In 2007, the Supreme Court more than doubled to €4.6m damages awarded by the High Court to Mr Shortt, who was wrongly convicted in 1995 of allowing the sale of drugs at his Point Inn premises in Quigley’s Point, Inishowen, Co Donegal.

He was imprisoned for three years before being cleared.

Judge O’Donohue has reserved his judgment on the defamation case which he has heard over several days.

Yesterday, he started hearing a second case in which Ms Collins and fellow Scientologist Michael O’Donnell, a marketing consultant of Cherrywood Lawn, Clondalkin, are suing Mr Griffiths and John McGhee, an embalmer, of Armstrong Grove, Clara, Co Offaly, for alleged assault, battery, trespass, and nuisance, which both men deny.

 

 

 

 


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Zabrina Collins tells judge she ‘could have been more temperate.’

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Leading Scientology figure tells judge she ‘could have been more temperate’ in email complaint to school principal

 Ray Managh

Published 28/01/2016

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Judge’s gavel.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/leading-scientology-figure-tells-judge-she-could-have-been-more-temperate-in-email-complaint-to-school-principal-34404497.html

Zabina Collins, a leading member of the church of Scientology in Ireland, has told a judge she “could have been a little more temperate” about what she had to say in an e-mail to a school principal complaining about a former Church member’s talk to schoolboys on cults.

Collins, who admitted in court to having had a teenage drugs and heavy drinking problem, is being sued for defamation by Peter Griffiths, Cual Gara, Teeling Street, Ballina, Co Mayo, for what his counsel Seamus O Tuathail SC described as “a vicious character attack.”

“I could have dealt with it in a more temperate way,” Collins said of her complaint to the headmaster of St David’s CBS in Artane, Dublin, following a posting on the internet by Griffiths of what he had said to the school’s leaving cert boys in a talk on cults.

She told barrister John Smith, who appeared with Mr O Tuathail and solicitor Cormac O Ceallaigh, that she had sent the headmaster a link to an on-line video showing a picture of Griffiths naked, with only a Guy Fawkes mask covering his genitals.

Collins, a Dublin chiropractic clinic director, of The Boulevard, Mount Eustace, Tyrelstown, Dublin 15, told Judge James O’Donohue she had written to the school principal as a concerned parent and not to besmirch Mr Griffiths.

She earlier told her barrister Frank Beatty that while she did not have a child attending St David’s she was involved in tutoring children on drugs awareness and felt she had a duty to complain.

In her e-mail Collins alleged that Griffiths’ talk had centred on the Scientology religion which counts Tom Cruise and John Travolta as members and accused him of “openly and viciously” slandering the church.  She accused him of being “an avid hate campaigner against Scientologists” and “hate mongering” against the church and of being under Garda surveillance.

The court heard that a teacher from St David’s had asked Griffiths to address school pupils on cults and that it was Mr Griffiths who had posted on the internet an audio of his talk which warned the boys of the dangers of getting involved with the Church of Scientology which, he said, might destroy their lives.

Mr Griffiths said he had been shocked, horrified and appalled when he had obtained sight of Ms Collins’s allegations in which there was “not a grain of truth.”  He said her statements had lowered his reputation in the minds of right-thinking people while holding him up to hatred, ridicule and contempt.

Ms Collins (nee Shortt) is a daughter of publican Frank Shortt who was falsely accused by corrupt gardai of allowing drug dealing in the nightclub he owned in Donegal.

In 2007 the Supreme Court more than doubled to €4.6million damages awarded by the High Court to Mr Shortt who was wrongly convicted in 1995 of allowing the sale of drugs at his Point Inn premises in Quigley’s Point, Innishowen, Co Donegal.  He was imprisoned for three years before being cleared.

Judge O’Donohue has reserved his judgment on the defamation case which he has heard over several days.  Today (Thurs) he started hearing a second case in which Collins and fellow scientologist Michael O’Donnell, a marketing consultant of Cherrywood Lawn, Clondalkin, are suing Griffiths and John McGhee, an embalmer, of Armstrong Grove, Clara, Co Offaly, for alleged assault, battery, trespass and nuisance which both men deny.


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