The programme on RTE Prime Time programme on July 27th night was very welcome but its content had been delayed for ten years. In December 2006 RTE had a documentary on the Muslim Brotherhood and its HQ in Europe Clonskeagh and had raised similar issues about them.

http://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2016/0720/803666-prime-time-14-7-2016/
We in Dialogue Ireland have been drawing attention to the issues surrounding the Muslim Brotherhood for 15 years at least. It is amazing that Imam Halawa has been here for 20 years and still has to have Ali Selim translate for him. He can’t express himself in English.
You will find all you need to know about these issues by visiting our blog at:

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/islam/islamism/

Again during the programme there was the oft repeated idea that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the country. It is likely the religion with the most immigrants who have come into Ireland, however, it is in fact one of the lowest growing religions in Ireland. In fact there is a very deep decline in religious practice, but if you take the view you are born into a religion then by definition there will be an increase in that religion by virtue of the growth in the population as our current census suggests. Hardly a scientific means to study the growth of a religion?
This article will help you get he picture.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2014/01/03/islam-to-become-irelands-second-religion-by-2043-by-ralph-riegel-irish-independent/#more-12448

What was quite shocking, not in the negative sense was for the first time the Clonskeagh Mosque came under media scrutiny. They have been able act as the official Vatican for Muslims for nearly two decades. The government of the day give them a totally undeserved status.

When Richard Downes asked the Imam if he was involved with the Muslim Brotherhood he ducked and dived even though we have a lot of evidence that he is their pointsman in Ireland. Asked about the Sisi regime in Egypt he made a savage attack on them. He and his daughters have not got a clue about strategy if they want their brother to go free. They are so under the influence of the MB they do not use common sense in regard to trying to save their family member.

This report is totally out of date now as the Maktoums are really no longer connected to the mosque.

After the MB came to power in Egypt they were funding their Irish franchise. Again the programme missed the point that Ibrahim Halawa was in fact going to Egypt to support the MB funders of the Clonskeagh Mosque. He was the collateral damage when there was regime change. He was still mouthing the old mantras when the tectonic plates shifted. Also throughout the UAE the MB was thrown out as they were caught trying to infiltrate their governments.
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/ali-selim%e2%80%99s-mask-begins-to-slip-by-our-irish-islamist-expert/

The most comprehensive archive on this whole area is by Mark Humphrys.

http://markhumphrys.com/muslim.brotherhood.html
He gives details about a number of the issues raised in the documentary and you will find more in our archive.
http://www.dialogueireland.org/dicontent/a2z/islamism/islamism.html

The government needs to maintain a discreet distance from Clonskeagh and not jump to other mosques that on initial reading seem to be playing the right cards of integration and rights for all.

This important documentary has been down for a number of years. It is very important to have this programme as part of the archive. The recent Prime Time piece on the Muslim Brotherhood should be watched in conjunction with this programme.

http://www.rte.ie/news/player/prime-time/2006/1218/

​Turkey: Is the Gülen Organization a Cult?

Breitbart Newshe Associated Pressby ROBERT AMSTERDAM

31 Jul 2016

Note: Robert Amsterdam is a Canadian attorney based in London who has represented government officials, corporations and human rights activists around the world. He isworking with the Turkish government on litigation involving Gulen.

In the aftermath of the violent attempted military coup launched against the Government of Turkey on July 15-16, urgent questions have been raised regarding the role of the self-exiled cleric, Fethullah Gülen, resident in Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania.

Gülen is not your typical radical. You won’t find him posting incendiary videos to the Internet or directly calling for violence or revealing his agenda to the public. He’s actually much smarter and more dangerous than that.

For years, he and his extensive hierarchy of loyalists have worked from behind closed doors in his mansion in the Poconos, where he has established more than 160 charter schools (via secretive front companies), 55,000 businesses operating worldwide, and thousands of members embedding themselves throughout the media, government, and military in Turkey.

In Turkey, people are not fooled by Gülen’s act. When the attempted coup took place, Turkish citizens flooded into the streets and risked their lives not to cheer on Gülen, but to resist the putschists and send them back to their barracks. The issue of his involvement in this attempted overthrow is a matter of general consensus – even those opposed to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan acknowledge the link.

But here in the United States, regrettably, it’s another story. Many members of the media (as well as many politicians benefitting from the largesse of his donations) treat Gülen with naïve acceptance of the “moderate Islam” narrative they are presented with while never questioning the vast array of inconsistencies, half-truths, and direct involvement in criminal activity.

Among Gülen’s leading U.S. supporters is the former high-ranking CIA officer Graham E. Fuller, who writing in the Huffington Post on July 22, described the Hizmet network as “one of the most encouraging faces of contemporary Islam in the world.” As he acknowledges in the piece, he played a key role as a character witness in protecting Gülen from deportationWhen Gülen’s green card application was rejected in 2007, Gülen appealed, citing as support for his application his widespread influence, educational leadership (which he previously had denied under oath), and scholarly activities. Lawyers representing the U.S. government were highly skeptical of Gülen’s submissions to support his lofty position, however: “The evidence submitted by plaintiff [Gülen], when carefully examined, reveals that he is not a scholar and his work is not the subject of serious scholarship. He is a religious and political figure attempting to buy academic prestige by paying people to write papers about him.” Despite USCIS’s misgivings, Gülen won his appeal in 2008 largely due to Fuller’s support and has enjoyed permanent residency in the United States ever since. Fuller and other supporters high up within the U.S. intelligence apparatus are mistaken with regard to the intentions and risk posed by this organization. While there may, in fact, exist many innocent members pursuing public works, there is also another side actively working on a much more sinister agenda. This is echoed by Mustafa Akyol in the New York Times, who writes that former Gülenists have told him “there is a darker side of the movement, and few of its members know it as it is.” Years before the attempted coup took place, Gülen himself ordered his followers to secretly penetrate key state institutions, instructing them to “move in the arteries of the system without anyone noticing your existence until you reach all the power centers.” He then instructed them to lie about ever receiving such instructions. The Gülen organization practices what academics describe as “strategic ambiguity” – which means that they habitually conceal all connections while consistently and regularly denying the scope and purpose of their operations. As a telling example of this strategic ambiguity and the exploitation it enables, three Gülen charter schools were closed in Georgia after a series of forensic audits uncovered the schools’ use of a fake educational services vendor, the Grace Institute. Over the course of our investigation into unlawful activities at Gülen’s U.S. charter schools, we have interviewed numerous whistleblowers and former teachers. The disturbing revelations very much point to the Gülen organization operating as a cult. Former teachers have disclosed abusive treatment of Turkish nationals secured as employees of these schools through the H-1B visa program that borders on human trafficking. In the past, passports have been seized, the Turkish teachers’ movements limited, their earnings garnished, and their social lives and basic freedoms surveilled. These whistleblowers indicate a sophisticated level of control, including mandatory installation of tracking software on laptops and phones to prevent members from disclosing the Organization’s secrets. One whistleblower faced deportation from a European country after beginning to speak out about the Gülen organization’s illegal activity. Yet despite all this, Gülen remains in favor with a variety of influential Americans such as Fuller. Fuller’s defense stands as an example of the strange level of support Gülen has received from former ambassadors and agents of the U.S. who appear to operate with eyes wide shut, oblivious to the extensive fraud schemes he is running. Despite numerous ongoing criminal investigations, Fuller and key figures in the US leap to the cult’s defense. Think about it: a cult accused by a crucial NATO ally of operating a terror organization determined to overthrow its elected government is secretly running 160 charter schools and attempting to influence the international relations of the United States, and we are simply asked to look the other way. We believe those schools are operated by cells of Gülen’s followers, with the primary purpose of exploiting the public education sector to benefit one person only—Gülen. Turkey has every reason to question the position of the United States in this matter, just as the U.S. would question other nations hosting similar criminal organizations. While asking Turkey for evidence of Gülen’s coup mongering, we should also be asking the American government why, with numerous audits, investigations, and evidence of wrongdoing by the Gülen Organization available in the public record, we still give this dangerous cult safe harbor. 

Robert Amsterdam is the founding partner of Amsterdam & Partners LLP. The firm has been appointed to represent the Republic of Turkey with regard to a global investigation of the unlawful conduct of the Gülen organization.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/07/31/gulen-organization-cult/

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Senan Malony writes about the ongoing issue of the training of priests. How celibacy can be a great hindrance to the expression of sexuality. On the one hand one can hide one’s sexual orientation but also a Church that is so supportive of marriage can destroy those are not able to live with these false ideals. Then there is the issue of sexual harassment and the institutionalisation of power with an episcopate incapable of addressing these issues.

http://cdn.rasset.ie/manifest/audio/2016/0803/20160803_rteradio1-newsatone-maynoothco_c21030911_21030950_261_/manifest.m3u8

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/news-at-one/podcasts/

https://www.rte.ie/radio1/podcast/podcast_whistleblowers.xml

http://webmail.esatclear.ie/cgi-bin/cwmail.cgi

The Turkish cleric’s decades-long plan to use schools to acquire political power and cultural influence has ended in shambles.       

  Foreign Policy Magazine

 BY SELIM KORU, HUSEYIN RASIT YILMAZ   

AUGUST 5, 2016

“Like a cancer, this virus has metastasized,” President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in a speech days after Turkey’s attempted coup. The virus to which he referred was the followers of the Pennsylvania-based cleric Fethullah Gulen, whom he blames for orchestrating the attempt to topple him from power.

Turkey’s newly declared state of emergency has armed the government with the powers to purge Gulenists across all state institutions: More than 10,000 military personnel, including 151 generals and admirals, as well as about 3,000 police have been arrested or are now in custody, pending investigation.

But the chemotherapy appears to be focusing on education. Of the 67,000 people suspended in the first 10 days of the state of emergency, at least 42,700 are from the Ministry of National Education. By decree, 1,043 private schools have been closed and expropriated, and 15 universities and 109 student dormitories have been closed. All of the country’s 1,577 university deans have been asked to resign, though many presumably will be allowed back once their records are cleared. Meanwhile, Education Minister Ismet Yilmaz has announced that the government will hire more than 20,000 new teachers this year to make up for the loss. Education features so prominently in the government’s response to the failed coup attempt because the Gulenists have a decades-long commitment to building a network of schools in Turkey and around the world, which has been crucial for their efforts to expand their influence. Turkey’s political class may not have created the Gulen movement, but it allowed it to move into the state apparatus relatively unhindered. It is now determined to cut it out and is starting with the part that feeds the rest: education. Like many of Turkey’s religious movements, the Gulenist network represents a reaction to the formation of modern Turkey as a secular republic in 1923. It traces its origins to Said Nursi, a polymath known for his prodigious memory and Gandhi-like resolve who built a movement that engaged in civil disobedience against the secular government. After Nursi’s death, several religious communities based on his teachings took form. Only one grew beyond its provincial origins — the community nurtured by Fethullah Gulen, who was 25 years old when he first went to the coastal city of Izmir and established himself as an imam known for his emotional style. “He would always cry during his sermons,” an octogenarian who attended a few during the 1960s told one of the authors. But Gulen also had a unique charisma, and his sermons quickly became popular throughout the region. Nearly all were recorded in audio and later video format and made the rounds among the faithful. Gulen was a state-sanctioned imam at the time and did not come out openly against the Kemalist order — but, being part of the Nursi tradition, he did not condone it either.Starting in the late 1960s, his followers set themselves apart from other religious communities by emphasizing secondary and higher education. Unlike other religious communities, the Gulenists’ educational system reached into all aspects of life. Each boy would be assigned an abi, or “older brother,” who would mentor him in his studies and also endeavor to shape his character. When girls were incorporated, they were each assigned an abla, meaning “older sister.” They would be typically only a few years older than their pupil, such as a university student mentoring a high school student. This gave members of the movement a strong sense of belonging throughout their lives and established a clear hierarchy and ideological unity. On Turkey’s political spectrum, the Gulenists were clearly political Islamists. It was their secrecy that made them stand out: Whereas most of Turkey’s Islamists openly resisted secularism through grassroots organization and participation in the democratic system, the Gulen movement sought to subvert secularism. Move “within the arteries of the system, without anyone noticing your existence,” Gulen advised his followers during a now-infamous sermon.This process should continue, Gulen went on, until his followers had amassed extraordinary influence. “You must wait until such time as you have all the state power, until you have brought to your side all the power of the constitutional institutions in Turkey,” he counseled in the same sermon. In Gulenist literature, those who will take the reins of the state when this time comes are among the “Golden Generation.” These people have the resolve to “cross over seas of filth,” meaning secular sin, while remaining pure in their intentions and thus bring about a kind of utopia.  But to play the long game, the movement needed a broader base in society, and the key to that was institutional education. In the 1970s and 1980s, the Gulen movement focused on training world-class teachers who could recruit children into their cause.  “I scored high enough in my university entrance exam to get into medical school, but the jamaat [a common phrase for the Gulenist movement] asked me to become a teacher, so that’s what I did,” a teacher who used to work in a Gulenist school said in an interview. As is typical for Gulenists, these teachers were willing to make huge material sacrifices over long periods of time, motivated by the status they attained in the movement and the prospect of religious fulfillment. As the numbers of Gulenist teachers grew, they spilled over into the private sector. An extensive network of Gulenist student dorms and camps prepared students for university exams and gave them a sense of community. Most important, however, were the “cram schools” that Turkish students attend in order to prepare for university examinations. Students are usually under great pressure during the year they study for these examinations, since they determine the quality of their university degrees and, to some extent, professional lives. Although the curriculum of Gulenist cram schools was similar to that of others, it also exposed students to an environment where they would be assigned an abi or abla. These elder figures would invite the students to their homes for tutoring sessions, where they would pray together and be exposed to Gulenist books and sermons. Over time, a certain mold began to emerge — Gulenist students were known to be pious, hard-working, punctual, and accomplished in math and the hard sciences. This made them excellent candidates for jobs in the government’s technical departments, such as the treasury and central bank, and allowed them to rise up fast in other institutions, like the police.  By 1992, the movement had enough experienced teachers to found its first schools abroad, in the newly independent Central Asian republics. At this point, the movement was funding its activities to a large extent through so-called “aid meetings” (himmet toplantisi), where sympathetic businessmen would come together to listen to private religious sermons and were asked to contribute large sums to the movement in the presence of others. As the movement expanded abroad, each Turkish city’s followers were made responsible for Gulenist activities in a different foreign country. Over time, these schools would spread across the world: Today, the movement boasts more than 2,000 schools in 160 different countries.These schools became known for their emphasis on mathematics and the natural sciences. Education is not necessarily Islamic, but the quality is so high that they have become places where the elite send their kids to be disciplined — and where poor, bright children are given scholarships and a chance at success. Turkish politicians began to support these schools as beacons of Turkey’s growing “soft power” in the region. Though the Gulen movement was on good terms with various governments, the mildly Islamist Justice and Development Party (AKP) that rose to power in 2002 became its first true ally. For more than a decade under AKP rule, Gulenist educational institutions thrived. The group’s reach into the bureaucracy also rose to unprecedented heights. Gulenists were especially strong in the police and judiciary and used those arms of the state to libel and imprison those who opposed their network. Some of this was in line with the AKP’s policies, such as the infamous Sledgehammer and Ergenekon cases, which charged high-ranking military officers with plotting a coup using fake evidence. Other notable figures, such as investigative journalists Nedim Sener and Ahmet Sik and former police chief Hanefi Avci, were jailed on false evidence simply for writing negatively about Gulenists. By the early 2010s, the Gulenist influence began to worry the AKP government. It had become like an invisible circle choking the government’s presence in key parts of the state.When Erdogan finally moved against the Gulenists, he tried to hit them where it hurt — by targeting their influence over educational institutions. In 2013, he proposed closing down all private cram schools in the country, thus cutting off the Gulenists’ primary source of human capital. Without its educational infrastructure to mass-produce followers, the Gulen movement would be just another religious community in Turkey — a jamaat rather thanthe jamaat. Gulenists were unable to accept that and fired their first salvo against Erdogan in December of that year. Using its network in the police and other branches of government, it released audio recordings implicating senior government figures in corruption, bribery, money laundering, and inciting war in Syria. Erdogan then made clear that battle lines had been drawn. No longer were the Gulenists going to be allowed to pull the strings of power from behind the curtain. “We will bring out into the open this structure,” he said, “which is a state within the state.”But even in the midst of this impending battle, there was a last-ditch attempt to mend fences between the AKP government and Gulen. Fehmi Koru, a journalist close to both sides who, in full disclosure, is the uncle of one of the authors of this article, met with then-Prime Minister Erdogan and President Abdullah Gul and was dispatched to Pennsylvania — where Gulen lives in exile — to talk peace. Koru writes in his tell-all book that Gulen gave him a letter to deliver back to Ankara imploring the government to ease its grip on the schools. “It was transmitted to our prime minister that we do not desire the closing of institutions [cram schools] beneficial to the public and that we desire their continuation under their present mission,” Gulen stated in his letter. But the rivalry between the groups had taken on a momentum of its own, and the bureaucratic shadow duel soon turned into open war. In the following years, the government declared the Gulen movement a terrorist organization and began to put pressure on Gulen-linked businesses, media outlets, and other institutions. The cram schools, as per Erdogan’s initial proposition, were closed down. The government also began to roll back the Gulen network’s 25-year presence across its entire apparatus — with the notable exception of the military, where, due to the institution’s secular sensibilities, Gulenists were often said to have entered secretly. The feud also exposed the Gulenist educational system to corruption allegations. In 2015, Turkish officials investigated Gulenists for cheating on civil service exams, claiming that bureaucrats with access to the exam questions passed them to the educational arm of the network before test dates. There have been several waves of arrests of people who have allegedly perpetrated this crime, resulting in more than 3,200 ongoing trials and several civil servants whose examinations have been deemed void as a result of the scandal. Government officials confirmed to the authors that they were compiling a list of Gulenists in various sectors, including education, long before the attempted coup. But Turkey’s new state of emergency has given them the authority to purge these remaining Gulenists from state institutions.At present, the government does not seem to believe that all Gulenists are pro-coup infiltrators and does not formally accuse them of involvement in the coup, yet it sees their continued presence in the public sector as a national security risk. Given the public consensus in Turkey that the Gulenists were indeed behind the coup, this purge has received the passive support of the opposition. No matter what happens next, tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of people will lose their jobs as Erdogan makes a clean sweep. The critical question at this stage is to what extent the government will abuse its state-of-emergency mandate and start to purge non-Gulenists. So far, this has not happened. For example, the 16,000 members of Egitim Sen, a leftist teacher’s union that has been under heavy investigation since January, have been left untouched. If the government oversteps those lines, there will certainly be public uproar about an abuse of power, and the anti-Gulen consensus that keeps the peace will disappear. There is a real risk that the government will indeed go too far. Erdogan’s followers have taken to the airwaves and newspaper columns to smear former statesmen — including former Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu and former Deputy Prime Minister Ali Babacan. National Movement Party insurgent Meral Aksener, who billed herself as a serious challenger to the ruling party, has perhaps had the worst of it. Despite having come out against the coup in its early minutes, pro-government media have largely been successful in making her out to be in favor of Erdogan’s toppling. If the government fails to contain this trend and allows the anti-Gulen purges to sweep up the ruling party’s legitimate political opponents, wider unrest could ensue.  What appears certain is that the government will do its best to erase any Gulenist influence within Turkey’s corridors of power. The Gulenists’ remaining educational institutions will be disbanded and, with them, the future of the movement in its home country aborted. Education policy has long been an afterthought to Turkey’s politicians. They will now pay closer attention to ensure that no other religious or political group ever takes advantage of that deficit.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/05/fethullah-gulen-race-top-over-turkey-erdogan-secularism-schools/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New%20Campaign&utm_term=%2AEditors%20Picks&wp_login_redirect=0

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ledwith-s-name-submitted-for-dublin-archbishop-post-1.345137

Ledwith’s name submitted for Dublin archbishop post

Mon, Jan 13, 2003

Patsy McGarry
Among the three names submitted to Rome in 1987 as likely successors to the post of archbishop of Dublin was that of the former president of St Patrick’s College, Maynooth, Dr Miceál Ledwith, against whom there have been allegations of sexual abuse.

When an episcopal vacancy arises in the Catholic Church it is procedure for a papal nuncio to canvass the views of diocesan priests and others on likely successors. From names proposed, three may be selected by the nuncio and submitted to Rome, from which one is appointed by the Pope.
When it came to choosing a successor to the late archbishop of Dublin, Dr Kevin McNamara, the then papal nuncio Dr Gaetano Alibrandi is understood to have submitted the names of Mgr Ledwith, that of then auxiliary bishop of Dublin Dr Donal Murray, (now Bishop of Limerick), and Dr Desmond Connell, then dean of metaphysics at UCD. Dr Connell was appointed to the vacancy.

What makes Dr Alibrandi’s submission of Mgr Ledwith’s name to Rome in 1987 surprising is that three years previously in 1984 the former president was a frontrunner to become Bishop of Ferns when concerns about his behaviour emerged. Bishop Brendan Comiskey was appointed to Ferns.
Father Gerard McGinnity, senior dean at St Patrick’s College Maynooth in 1984, told The Irish Times last July he had been consulted then about Mgr Ledwith as a likely bishop of Ferns by Dr Alibrandi, as part of church procedure. This Sub Pontificio Secreto (under pontifical secrecy) procedure involves filling written answers on a form sent by the papal nuncio to people who would know a prospective episcopal candidate well. In his replies, Father McGinnity repeated concerns about Mgr Ledwith’s behaviour, then being expressed by senior seminarians and others.

On June 1st last year, the trustees of St Patrick’s College, Maynooth acknowledged that, before his abrupt departure in 1995, an allegation of sexual abuse involving a minor had been made against Mgr Ledwith, which he denied strenuously. They also said he made a settlement with the claimant, without admission of liability. They further disclosed that in 2000 they were told of another allegation against the monsignor, made by a former student at the college between 1992 and 1994.

In 1987, Bishop Murray was the choice of a majority of Dublin priests to succeed Archbishop McNamara. However, Dr Alibrandi did not favour him, and the post went to Dr Connell.

Bishop Murray’s prospects were not helped by controversy generated by an RTÉ news report which claimed he was not acceptable to Rome because he permitted “unorthodox” practices such as allowing altar girls take part in church services in Bray.

The report caused surprise, not least as it created an impression that Bishop Murray was on the Church’s liberal wing. The leading moral theologian among Ireland’s Catholic bishops – then as now – belongs very much to the more orthodox school in the church.

The fact that the House of Prayer has lost its charitable status shows the Charity Regulator has no confidence that the House of Prayer has any charitable focus. It is the evidence of Dialogue Ireland that not only is there no charitable intent, but the opposite, it is a fraudulent, scam taking advantage of mainly the elderly and vulnerable adults.

This our conclusion from the evidence is as follows:

The accounts show a contingent liability which arises because the Company lost its charitable status and if this is not reversed a sum of €125,000 will be due to Revenue. No provision has been made for this but the level of Stock and Cash Equivalents is € 403,935 so funds are there to pay.

Our Lady Queen of Peace House of Prayer (Achill) Limited

Review of Accounts to 31 December 2015

In common with most Financial Statements there is a limited disclosure of data, which renders a full review nigh on impossible.The figures as shown below endeavour to restate the data by calculation from the figures shown.

Income

There is a drop in income from 2014, in the sum of €74,853The constituents elements of this drop are Sales of religious items down € 4393 and Donations down € 70469.

This drop in donations (94% of total drop) may be partly due to the number of scandals in the Charitable sector which are affecting all organisation, but may also be due to the age profile of their doners and their natural decline.

Expenditure

The total expenditure for 2015as shown in the Profit and Loss is € 451167.  We are not given a complete breakdown of this but from detail shown we can deduce the following.

2015                                         2014

Salaries                                                                      222,448                                     221,344

Depreciation                                                              44,357                                       37,737

Other expenses                                                      180,862                                     145,808

Audit                                                                           3,500                                          3,463

Total                                                                        451,167                                      408,352

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Notes

Of the €44357 depreciation only € 5,790 does not relate to buildings, which are depreciated despite the tendency to rise in value.

Other expenses have risen by €35,054 which in a year of falling donations may indicate either a lack of concern or a once of cost.

The accounts show that the salaries figure which includes employer prsi and other such costs realtes to 2 House attendants and 2 admin roles. This would give an average of € 55,612 per person (the average industry wage is €35000 per CSO)

Other Data
During the year the following assets where purchased.

Vehicle(s)   cost             €25,500

Buildings                        €47,137
The accounts show a contingent liability which arises because the Company lost its charitable status and if this is not reversed a sum of €125,000 will be due to Revenue. No provision has been made for this but the level of Stock and Cash Equivalents is € 403,935 so funds are there to pay.

Sunday Business Post

The case is due to wind up before the Four Courts in the coming months Pic: RollingNews.ie

Dialogue Ireland reports of the earlier cases.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2016/04/26/bad-day-for-the-scientologists-ex-scientologists-understanding-cultism-and-common-sense/

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2016/01/30/report-on-the-defamation-and-assault-cases-in-the-civil-circuit-court-january-27-and-28-2016/

This gives you all the material on Scientology.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/therapy-groups/scientology

Man wants review of earlier award of damages against a Scientologist

A long-running legal battle involving current and former members of the Church of Scientology is due to wind its way back to the Four Courts.

Co Mayo man Pete Griffiths is appealing a €5,000 Circuit Court award from earlier this year against a Scientologist who launched a “vitriolic” personal attack on his character.

He had sought compensation of €50,000 against Zabrina Collins after she sent a semi-naked photo of him to the principal of a Dublin school, and an email falsely accusing him of criminal activity.

Collins, a spokesperson for the Church of Scientology, sent a complaint to the headmaster of St David’s School, Artane in May 2013, after she discovered a YouTube video of Griffiths, an ex-Scientologist, addressing students about the dangers of Scientology and cults in general.

In the email, she described herself as a “concerned parent”. Judge James O’Donoghue said the allegations against Griffiths were “grossly defamatory”.

However, the damages were reduced as Griffiths posted the material online, giving it a much wider audience.

Clearly unhappy with the decision, Griffiths has lodged a High Court appeal against the award in a bid to further vindicate his good name.

He perceives the award to be on the light side, but the main focus of his challenge will be on court orders made in a separate but parallel case.

As Judge O’Donoghue noted when delivering judgment last April, there is a longstanding animus between the two parties in this dispute.

Collins, a chiropractor with an address at Mount Eustace in Tyrellstown, Dublin, previously sued Griffiths and another man, John McGhee from Armstrong Grove in Clara, Co Offaly, for assault.

The allegations arose from an incident where Collins was harassed and grabbed by McGhee while distributing anti-drug literature in Dublin city centre.

Griffiths, of Cual Gara on Teeling Street in Ballina, Co Mayo, made a video of the protest and was ordered to pay Collins and another Scientologist damages of €2,000 in the ensuing court battle. McGhee was ordered to pay €3,500 for assault.

Griffiths claims he is now the subject of overly restrictive court orders, blocking him from approaching Scientologists.

He alleges that the injunctions impinge on his freedom of speech and his right to protest.

Filed under: Scientology

Five years after this programme was broadcast the House of Prayer is still ripping off vulnerable adults. The Catholic Church has refused to do anything. Dr McGinnity has retired but is still supporting this scam. The Palmarians are still doing damage to the elderly and the brainwashing continues.

Scientology is not as strong but the opposition to it was totally undermined by illegal and totally damaging attacks on Scientologists.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/tv3-irelands-secret-cults/

The Gulen organisation has gone underground in Dublin. Turkish Irish Education Society. They are now on Marlborough Street, south and to left of North Earl Street.

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Christina or an unholy ghost wrote this book. It is entitled, “The Cross Uncovered.” It is 372 pages long with a lot of recycled non miracles. The thought that struck me was that what the book should be called is “The Stigmata Uncovered.” The case of the knitting needles in the bedroom. The Chalkey love story and why we do not believe scams. The longer the book the less it relates to reality. The Foreword by Gerrard McGinnity is a disgrace. It shows a person who has lost the plot and his great intelligence. I had the opportunity to read his Doctoral thesis on Ambrose of Milan in the Trinity Library. It showed great intelligence. No he has been totally taken over by Christina. The bishops helped him follow the example of the Cardinal who got retirement parties. Get him off the stage and deny you have any responsibility. Poor Christina has another house this time in City West. She likes the cross and is crucified between the Kinahans. Meanwhile her house in Malahide remains unsold. Take up and read…then repent.

Marlborough Hall, Glasnevin.
I have been trying to understand the rich history of the National School in the area around DCU. On the way home recently I noticed we have a new educational experiment called Whitehall College of Further Education where just over a 100 years ago there was the last residence for male members of the Non Denominational “Marlborough Street,” Teacher School Training College. The building was also used as a hospital and convalescent home for those injured in the First World War, and later, Ireland’s War of Independence. From 1926 -1938 it became Colaiste CaoIimhin. John Marcus O’Sullivan was the Minister of Education that brought in Irish as a subject and Marlborough Hall was going to be the engine room of the teaching of Irish and it was most successful in this. Down the decades it has been used by various government departments and for the past several by the Department of Defence.

Most of educationalists know that the model schools were used to teach children and prepare teachers. However, in 1834 “Marlborough Street,” Teacher School Training College was founded. It was obviously for men only as a residence as it is clear from a book that I received from Plunkett College that there was also a place called Talbot House where the female students were housed. It came under the Commissioners of National Education in Ireland. It was non denominational in its values. In their report in (1905 -06) the Commissioners gives the following breakdown of the Christian denominations
Of the students referred to as King’s Scholars:-
Roman Catholic : 50 resident students and 2 external
Church of Ireland : 57 resident students and 3 external
Presbyterian Church : 133 resident students and 1 external
Others : 3 resident students.

It is clear at this stage that the other denominational Colleges were drawing the most students, so it is interesting that the Commissioners of National Education in Ireland in their report for 1903-4 had decided to build a new college in Glasnevin. Also it is remarkable that by then there were more women than men enrolled. Why? As the Marlborough Hall was for men only. Women were to still to be housed in Talbot House, and in Marlborough House which is where the Meteorological Office is now located.
The New Building was opened by Lord Aberdeen prior to final completion by the Lord Lieutenant on the 24th August, 1908. It is not clear when it really opened but the war saw its demise and it officially closed in 1917. Lord Aberdeen also opened the National School on Lindsay Road in 1910. The plaque is still there and President McAleese celebrated its centenary in 2011.

Colaiste CaoIimhin

What was remarkable was that the Minister John Marcus O’Sullivan who had all the constitutional powers vested in his office and a tradition of non denominational education based in his Department on Marlborough Street decided to appoint the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Dublin as Patron of this new educational institution and brought in the Christian Brothers to take over its administration. Do we see in this an attack on the Non denominational character of our National School System? This is an example of what people say without evidence that our National School changed from being Non Denominational to Denominational and as a result the problems we have now inherited?
Did the British march out and Rome take over? The Patrick Pearse mix of the cult of sacrifice, the heretical mix of revolutionary violence and the Christian Faith created the nexus of what Joyce called, Christ and Caesar being hand in glove. The Christ story of giving life and dying for humanity is transmogrified into a cult of death and killing the enemy. Then being resurrected in a power grab.

What is a Cult ?

Huffington Post

08/26/2016

Joseph  H. McKenna, Ph.D. Senior Lecturer, History of Religious Ideas, University of CA Irvine

The word ‘cult’ is never benign in religious terminology as it is in the world of art, where Johnny Stonenoggin filmster extraordinaire may cult-ivate a cult following for his eccentricity in artistry. Eccentricity in religion, if recent enough, is rarely welcomed with approving nods. And when eccentricity is welcomed by followers of a novel religion, those followers never designate the new religion as a cult. Such is the denigrating power of the word cult for religion.

Oddness in an ancient religion is no longer perceived as eccentric. No matter how implausible and bizarre a religious idea might be, if its pedigree is old, if generations are raised with that weird idea from youth, then that bizarre idea will become as believable, as commonplace, as immune to critical thought as a simple statement of fact about the color of summer grass.

If the idea had been taught for a thousand years that we may inhale the actual aroma of our God through the ritual of setting clover alight, we would accept that idea and practice it without scruple.

New Religions

In the late twentieth century some scholars of religion offered the phrase ‘new religions’ as a benign substitute for ‘cults.’ These scholars had grown weary of encountering a bias found in every stratum of society from nickel-plated broom pushers to copper-plated Ivy League Ph.Ds. It is a bias that may be put into bumper-sticker brevity:

Old Good, New Bad
Familiarity Good, Strangeness Bad
Old-Time Religion Good, New-Fangled Religion Bad

Or, as old-moneyed religionists say, ‘I have a religion, you have a sect, she has a cult.’

Prejudice against idea innovation, although the common coin of all conservative religiosity, should not be found in the higher arts of intellection, said these scholars who offered the fresh and unharmful term ‘new religions.’

After some decades, ‘new religions’ caught on in higher education and doctorates were granted in the study of such things, and academic journals were established and entitled with that name. As the new term gained acceptance, there was an attending decrease in bias against novel religions among academics. However, the term ‘cult’ got mislaid in the shakeup, as all new religions were deemed as worthy as any other religion.

Hold your ponies! Aren’t some new religions harmful, hateful, distasteful, and downright wacky? Yes. And therefore ‘cult’ is yet a needful term.

There are cults out there, and they do not deserve benign inclusion in the ‘new religions’ taxonomy. If a new religion resorts to coercion, if it invites adoration of human personalities, if it welcomes sexual favors for its leaders, if it suggests isolation from family and friends, if it embraces money-making schemes, call a pickaxe a pickaxe: the new religion is a cult.

Trouble is, a few of the older religions sometimes meet the cult criteria. But not many people would dare to call these pickaxes pickaxes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/j-h-mckenna-phd/what-is-a-cult_b_11729868.html

MECHTHILD Lynn is the wife of Jim Lynn who is a shadowy figure behind the House of Prayer. After it lost its charitable status a lot of directors resigned. This seems to now be the real inner circle with Pat Coleman the man to watch.

https://dialogueireland.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/hop.pdf

Here is what we know about him:

IT’S worth millions and is one of the most fabulous homes on the market – but who is going to get the money?

Fake visionary Christina Gallagher’s luxury home for the past eight years is on the market for €2.7 million, €800,000 LESS than what she paid for the stately pile in 2006. But the boss of the controversial House of Prayer on Achill Island, Co Mayo, who claims to receive regular messages from Jesus and the Virgin Mary, was careful not to put her own name on the magnificent pile in plush Malahide, Co Dublin, when she moved in eight years ago.

She had been telling her gullible supporters that she had no interest in material possessions and would  happily live in a tent.

Fabulous

So the fabulous home on the private Abington estate – worth €4 million at the property peak in 2008 and where neighbours included pop stars Ronan Keating and Nicky Byrne – was put in the name of her American fundraiser, John Rooney. A Sunday World investigation later revealed that Rooney was an ex-convict who took part in a $15 million fraud. He was sentenced to 18 months by a Texas court in 1988 after pleading guilty to an inter-state scam.

Christina Gallagher nevertheless surprised supporters by ordering them to write massive cheques to a “John Rooney” – and to her own spiritual director Fr Gerard McGinnity – rather than the House of Prayer. This money was then used to fund her secret home.

The  Sunday World  published copies of one cheque to Rooney for €50,000 and another to McGinnity for €40,000 by one couple, Betty and Michael  Morrissey.  John Rooney’s name remained on the Land Registry from April 2006 until this year, even though the 70-year-old had a massive fall out with Gallagher three years ago when they went their separate ways.

We can reveal today that Gallagher has now registered the property in the name of her new right hand man, Jim Lynn, of Redford Park, Greystones, Co Wicklow, who is the “full owner” of the mansion.  It will be a big surprise to people who know Lynn, a dedicated but secretive supporter of Gallagher since she opened the House of Prayer in 1993. Until now he has always remained firmly in the background.

Frozen

“He couldn’t possibly afford a house like that. He used to work for a frozen food company and was then unemployed for a long time,” said one former House of Prayer follower. Another said: “Even though he was on benefits he seemed to have a new car every year. I used to wonder how he managed it. He was not a professional person.” Mike Garde, who runs anti-cult organisation Dialogue Ireland, was also surprised.

“He is always trying to disrupt our website using a variety of identities but we know his IP number. He never uses his real name so I was not expecting him to turn up on the land register.”  For Jim Lynn’s name to appear on the official register would have required John Rooney to sign sale or transfer papers. “I don’t know how that would happen as John Rooney has not talked to Christina Gallagher in years,” said one insider. When the Sunday World first uncovered the Malahide mansion in January 2008 Gallagher at first denied even living there. She then got Fr McGinnity to claim on RTE’s Joe Duffy show that she was only staying with friends. But she later confessed on her own website that the home was bought as a refuge and she did live there. When we discovered another mansion in her name in the UK, which had its own lake and indoor swimming pool, she claimed she needed that because we had exposed her Malahide home.

The Sunday World also uncovered a string of other amazing properties she had bought, despite not having a job. And last year we revealed how she had moved out of Malahide, despite spending hundreds of thousands of euro doing it up, and into another stunning property near City West built by the late Jim Mansfield.

As you can see from our photos, she had her Malahide gardens extensively landscaped with some individual features costing €20,000 each. The property is on the market for €2.7 million. But anyone hoping to see it has to provide proof of identity and access to funds. Meanwhile, Gallagher’s website contains ever more apocalyptic messages about the end of the world. “It didn’t stop her moving homes though,”  said one former insider.

Jim Lyn lives with his wife in Greystones* and has taken up a role on our blog trying to divert the Irish public from his role.

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La pasión del papa Gregorio XVIII y la exmonja del Palmar termina en boda

The Passion of Pope Gregory XVIII and former nun  from Palmar ends in marriage.

Could we request anyone reading this text to send us an improved translation for our readers? Thanks in advance.

http://www.elespanol.com/reportajes/grandes-historias/20160902/152485473_0.html

Ginés Jesús Hernández y Nieves Triviño explican sus encuentros amorosos cuando eran pontífice y religiosa del Palmar de Troya. El domingo 11 se casan.

Gines Jesus Hernandez and Nieves Trivino explain their meetings when he  was pontiff and she a religious at Palmar de Troya. They are getting married on  Sunday September 11. 

Ginés and Nievis marry on Sunday 11 September. Fernando Ruso

Finales de noviembre. Dos hombres con sotana negra entran en El Corte Inglés del centro de Sevilla. Uno de ellos, un tipo enjuto, de nariz aguileña y gafas, marca el paso. En su camino hacia las escaleras mecánicas la pareja silente se topa con aquellos que empiezan a hacer sus primeras compras navideñas. Todos miran cómo el par de religiosos camina con andar diligente hacia la planta de caballero. Allí, una de las dependientas inquiere rauda a la pareja, que desvela sin tapujos el propósito de su visita. “¿Tienen calzoncillos Calvin Klein?”, pregunta el más avispado. Incrédula, la señorita asiente con la cabeza y conduce a los interesados al mostrador de ropa interior. Un cruce de miradas basta para saber que el género, de tipo bóxer ajustados y de color blanco, satisface las exigencias del sacerdote. “¿Tendría quince como este?”, consulta. “¿Quince?”, interpela escéptica la vendedora, que acude veloz al almacén con gesto de sorpresa para saldar la venta.

La bolsa con los calzoncillos Calvin Klein se paseó aquella mañana por Sevilla trabada a la muñeca del sacerdote antes de llegar al convento. Allí, el clérigo encomendó a las monjas una misión: tapar con una cinta elástica la marca para cumplir con uno de los preceptos de la orden, la imposibilidad de vestir ropa con letras, logotipos o demás adornos. Sin preguntar, las religiosas cumplieron a toda prisa con el cometido. No en vano, el encargo provenía directamente del mismísimo Gregorio XVIII, Papa de la Iglesia Palmariana de los Carmelitas de la Santa Faz.

The bag of Calvin Klein underpants bought that morning in  Seville were brought back to the convent. There, the cleric entrusted to the nuns a mission: cover with an elastic band brand to meet one of the precepts of the order, failure to wear clothing with letters, logos or other decorations. Without asking, religious hastily complied with the task. Not surprisingly, the order came directly from the very Gregorio XVIII, Palmariana Pope of the Church of the Carmelites of the Holy Face.

Under the Pope’s cassock was a Calvin Klein pair of underpants. Before he used to wear a white cloth, type swimsuit, that reached to his knees. “It was horrific.” He confesses who caused the change, Nieves Triviño,   (Monachil, 1967), the former nun who seduced the Pope and that in the coming days will bring to the altar.

http://www.elespanol.com/reportajes/20160430/121238054_0.html

Una semana antes del enlace, que se celebrará el próximo domingo 11 de septiembre en el Sacromonte de Granada, la pareja atiende en exclusiva a EL ESPAÑOL, el primer medio que publicó una entrevista con ambos. Están más relajados que en el último encuentro, cuando eran perseguidos por los medios en las calles de Monachil, el pueblo en el que residen desde que el Papa, Ginés Jesús Hernández (Mula, 1959), decidió abandonar la cismática orden para emprender una nueva vida siguiendo los dictados de su corazón.

A week before the wedding, to be held on Sunday September 11 in Sacromonte of Granada, the couple give an exclusive interview to EL ESPAÑOL, the first newspaper that published an interview with them both. They are more relaxed than the last time, when they were persecuted by the media in the streets of Monachil, the townwhere they reside since Pope, Ginés Jesus Hernandez (Mula, 1959), decided to leave the schismatic order to start a new life following the dictates of his heart

Ahora, la que duerme a la derecha del padre es Nieves, que recuerda su primer encuentro romántico con el por aquel entonces Papa palmariano. “Ella me pidió una noche loca”, confiesa Ginés. La cita llegaba cuando ambos trataban de destapar una farsa de abusos sexuales, opulencia de los jerarcas y desvío de capitales en la orden.

Now, she has the sleeping rights with Fr Nieves, and remembers her first romantic encounter with the then Palmarian Pope . “She asked me for a crazy night” says Gines. The appointment came when both were trying to unravel a farce of sexual abuse, opulence of the leadership and the diversion of money in the order.

http://www.elespanol.com/reportajes/20160430/121238054_0.html

El descubrimiento hizo que perdiera la fe en la que había sido su casa y su dogma durante más de treinta años.

The discoveries made me lose faith in what had been my home and what I believed in for more than thirty years.

La pareja se citó en el hotel Saray de Granada. El santo padre llegó acompañado de dos sacerdotes a los que alojó en plantas diferentes a la de su amada. Nervioso, Ginés se fue en busca de ella. Ambos coincidieron en las puertas del ascensor. “Estaba tan nerviosa que ni siquiera atiné a meter la tarjeta en la ranura para abrir la puerta de la habitación”, narra. Y con el portazo empezaron las caricias. “Le metí un besazo, me quité la sotana y empecé a desnudarla”, detalla el Papa apóstata.

The couple booked into the Hotel Saray Granada. The Holy Father was accompanied by two priests that stayed on different floors to his beloved. Nervous Gines went looking for her. They agreed to use the elevators. “I was so nervous I did not put the card into the slot in the right way to open the door of the room,” he says. And with the door slamming they started fondling. “I gave her a big kiss, took off my cassock and began to undress her,” says the apostate Pope.

“No paramos en toda la noche. Desde las seis de la tarde hasta las siete de la mañana”, revela Ginés. “Él no paró de temblar”, apunta Nieves, que recuerda cómo quedó horrorizada al ver los calzoncillos del prelado. A pesar del mutuo empeño, “esa noche fue un gatillazo total”. “Después de tantísimos años… ¡32 años!”, detalla él, que estuvo a punto de casarse con una antigua feligresa antes de ordenarse sacerdote. “La cosa fue seria, –recuerda– nos compramos una casa y todo, pero no cuajó”. Y así pasaron las horas hablando y fumando en la habitación del hotel Saray, donde se produjeron sucesivas citas de viernes a sábado.

“We did not stop all night. From six in the evening until seven o’clock in the mornin , ”  Gines reveals. “He did not stop shaking,” said Nieves, who remembers how horrified to see the prelate underpants she was. Despite the mutual commitment, “that night he has what was a total droopy erection.” “After so many years … 32 years!”, He was about to marry a former parishioner before a priest detail. “The thing was serious, she recalls we bought a house and everything, but it did not work.” And so they spent hours talking and smoking in the hotel room Saray, where successive appointments from Friday to Saturday occurred.

Cada domingo el Papa abandonaba el lecho que tantos placeres le daba para dirigirse a El Palmar de Troya, una pedanía de Utrera situada en el Bajo Guadalquivir, donde se asienta la orden que él mismo dirigía. El camino cruzando toda Andalucía estaba plagado de dudas. “Yo no sabía si seguir con la vocación o estar con Nieves”, cuenta.

Every Sunday the Pope left the bed of so many pleasures gave him to go back to El Palmar de Troya, a district of Utrera located in the Lower Guadalquivir, where the Palmarian order which he directed is located. The road crossing Andalusia was plagued by doubts. “I did not know whether to continue with the call or be with Nieves” he says.

Las dudas le seguían acechando en las dependencias papales, un amplio dormitorio bien exornado con materiales nobles y despachos aledaños desde donde dirigía la fe de más de mil feligreses de todo el mundo, principalmente de países europeos como Suiza, Alemania o Irlanda y Latinoamérica. También la vida contemplativa de unos sesenta frailes y monjas, que todavía residen en el Palmar. Desde allí, continuaba el intercambio de mensajes a través de WhatsApp, Facebook y llamadas por FaceTime entre Ginés y Nieves.

Doubts were stalking him in the papal offices, large bedroom well ornamented with fine materials and surrounding offices from where he directed the faith of more than a thousand parishioners around the world, mainly from European countries such as Switzerland, Germany or Ireland and Latin America. Also the contemplative life of about sixty monks and nuns, who still reside in Palmar. From there, he continued the exchange of messages via WhatsApp, Facebook and FaceTime calls with Nieves

Ginés Jesús Hernández, durante una celebración en la iglesia de El Palmar de Troya, antes de dejar la orden.

Gines Jesus Hernandez, during a celebration in the church of El Palmar de Troya, before leaving the order.

¿Qué se le pasaba por la cabeza?

Ginés: Tenía mucha incertidumbre. Me decía: Ginés, tienes que tomar una determinación. ¿Qué vas a hacer? ¿Vas a seguir con la farsa? ¿Si no crees en aquello, vas a ser un sinvergüenza contigo mismo? Y tomé una decisión.

—Y, Nieves, ¿cómo lo vivió?

[Nieves] Él tuvo muchas dudas. Llegó a dejarme el 10 de marzo. Pasé un mal rato. No paraba de llorar. Él ya conocía a mis hijas y todo era perfecto. Ellas lo querían. Menos mal que recapacitó.

¿Y en qué quedó todo?

[Ginés] Al día siguiente de dejar la relación la llamé. Le dije: “Pídemelo, pídeme que me case contigo”. Y ella me dijo si quería casarme con ella. Yo acepté y ahí decidí que debía dejar la orden.

Pero unas operaciones, cuestiones de herencias y donaciones urgían y Ginés se vio obligado a permanecer en el cargo. Mientras, continuaron las escapadas. Un ir y venir a Granada y varios cargos en las cuentas de la orden que o bien no levantaron las sospechas del resto de religiosos o bien todos conocían, admitían y callaban. Mientras, el santo padre ponía excusas para no oficiar misa. Nadie sabía qué afligía al pontífice, que relegaba el servicio religioso en el altar mayor al que hoy es Pedro III, el nuevo Papa palmariano.

What was going through your head?

Gines: I had a lot of uncertainty. I said to mysel Gines, you have to make a decision. What are you going to do? Are you going to keep up the charade? If you do not believe that what the Palmarians believe is the truth, you are a scoundrel yourself? And I made a decision.

And, Nieves, how was it?

[Nieves] He had many doubts. He came to me on March 10. I had a hard time. I could not stop crying. He already knew my daughters and everything was perfect. They loved him. Luckily he reconsidered.

And what was it he decided?

[Gines] The day after leaving the relationship I called. I said, “Ask of me, ask me to marry you”. And she said if I wanted to marry her. I accepted and then decided I should leave the order.

But some operations, issues of inheritance and gift and stopped him from leaving and Ginés was forced to remain in office. Meanwhile, they continued their clandestine relationship. Coming and going to Granada and several issues in regard to the accounts of the order did not raise the suspicions of other religious but likely or all knew, admitted what he was up to but remained silent. Meanwhile, the holy father was always making excuses for not officiating at mass. Nobody knew what really was going on with the pontiff, who relegated the religious service at the high altar to the priest that today is Pedro III, the new Palmarian Pope.

Foto: Fernando Ruso

http://www.elespanol.com/reportajes/20160527/127987514_0.html

Para facilitar las cosas, Ginés se hizo con ropa acorde a la que sería su nueva vida y que iba dejando en casa de Nieves. Pantalones vaqueros de Purificación García, camisas y demás ropa de Hugo Boss. La práctica totalidad está prohibida según la norma palmariana, que impide el uso entre sus fieles de los tejidos vaqueros y las camisas o camisetas de manga corta. “¡Con lo cómodos que son los vaqueros!”, ironiza el expapa.

Las duras normas, que en algunos casos empujaban a los fieles hacia la excomunión en el caso de incumplirlas, hicieron que la joven Nieves abandonase el convento de la iglesia Palmariana hasta en tres ocasiones. Su familia recala en la orden después de que en 1968, cuatro niñas -Ana, Rafaela, Ana y Josefa- aseguraran haber visto a la virgen en el lugar en el que hoy se erige la catedral, conocida como el Lentisco. Pronto, los fieles empezaron a repartir por toda España y Europa folletos detallando las apariciones. Su madre, Fabiola, muy religiosa, se vio seducida por los hechos y se convirtió en la encargada de organizar las excursiones de seguidores desde Granada.

To make things easier, Ginés bought clothes according to what would be his new life and was leaving the Palmarians to join Nieves. Purification Garcia jeans, shirts and other  Hugo Boss clothing. The clothes he wears now are prohibited according to Palmariana rules, which prevents the faithful from wearing denims and shirts or short-sleeved shirts. “These clothes are so comfortable like being a cowboy.!” Jokes the expapa.

The harsh rules, which in some cases pushed the faithful to excommunication when they broke the rules. They in fact to led the young Nieves to abandon the convent of the Palmarian church on three occasions.  Ginés‘s  family became involved with the order in 1968 after four girls Ana, Rafaela, Ana and Josefa profess to have seen the Virgin in the place where today the cathedral, known as the Lentisco stands. Soon, the faithful began to spread throughout Spain and Europe as the news detailing the apparitions became known. His mother, Fabiola, very religious, was seduced by the visions and became responsible for organizing trips for followers from Granada.

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“Mi madre era muy religiosa, estaba en la Iglesia Española en Marruecos en la época en la que estaba bajo el protectorado francés”, narra Nieves. Allí conoció a su padre y ambos se casaron en una ceremonia oficiada por Monseñor Lefebvre, que creó un cisma de la iglesia de Roma. “Mi vida está rodeada de cismas, Papas, sacerdotes…”, confiesa sonriente.

Poco a poco su familia fue entrando en la Iglesia Palmariana. Y, como en otros casos, con la mayoría de edad recién estrenada, su madre le impuso el matrimonio con otro fiel, un irlandés llamado Brendan. “Era un noviazgo muy cómodo, porque él vivía allí y yo aquí. Nos veíamos dos veces al año. Y nada de nada. Ni besito ni tocamiento. Todo con mucho comedimiento”, detalla. “Pero cuando se habló de boda –continúa– yo tenía 18 años y salí corriendo para el convento. Lo usé de excusa para escapar de la relación porque no quería casarme”.

Allí estuvo varios años. “Es una vida muy dura”, confiesa. Tanto que llegó a abandonar dos veces. “No soportaba tener velo y yo fui muy gamberra”. Recuerda cómo hizo un par de agujeros con un alfiler en el velo a la altura de los ojos para ver claro el exterior o cómo escondía los tangas que llevaba al ingresar para que las monjas no se lo cambiaran por unas bragas que tapaban muslos y barriga.

Sin saberlo, ella misma derrocaría años después la norma de las enormes bragas al incluir entre la ropa íntima del Papa los calzoncillos Calvin Klein. “Permití unas bragas más acordes a los tiempos y las madres me lo agradecieron”, cuenta Ginés.

Era la rebelde. “Yo tenía revolucionados a los frailes. Me he comido muchos castigos sin merecerlos porque ellos tonteaban conmigo”. Nieves recuerda cómo siempre le llamó la atención el padre Sergio María, nombre secular de Ginés. “Anda que no me he chupado yo adoraciones nocturnas para ver dónde se sentaba y poder verlo”.

No era la única que tenía interés en el que sería Papa. Nieves cuenta cómo por el convento circulaba el rumor de boca del padre Felipe, que se subía en el lavabo del servicio para observar al resto de frailes. “De Ginés me dijo que la tenía grande, morena y torcida. Y acertó”, cuenta Nieves.

Ambos cuentan cómo han sabido de relaciones a escondidas, proposiciones entre frailes e historias de abusos sexuales como la que ya publicó EL ESPAÑOL entre los muros del Palmar.

 

Well, if anybody had told half a year ago that that Palmarian pope Gregory XVIII would pose bare-chested in a magazine before the end of the year, I would not have believed it, to say the least. In early 2016, he excommunicated and expelled men for wearing short sleeves or a buttoned down shirt with long sleeves, and women who wore skirts reaching more than 35 centimeters over the ground. Or even small children talking to girls wearing pants. In September, he’s playing Adam and Eve with his future wife. That’s a drastic conversion.

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A brief summary of the article in Interviú.

Ginés and Nieves will be married on 11 September. She asserts that he has left everything behind, when leaving the church except for the BMW. Nieves is working as a municipal event arranger in Monachil (Granada). Now she is arranging her own wedding. There will be around 120 guests at the ceremony. She explains that she is posing in Interviú to silence those who believed that Ginés would establish another Palmar in her home town or that he would transform her into a traditionalist. They will have a civil ceremony in Sacromonte (Granada), as Ginés is excommunicated from both the Roman Catholic and the Palmarian Catholic Church.

She states that she has liked Ginés ever since she first laid her eyes on him at church services in Palmar de Troya thirty years ago. She talks about the group of bishops who were expelled in the year 2000 and that she accuses them of many things. She claims that one Palmarian ex- bishop, who now is married, tried to establish a sexual contact with her, and that another sent her sexually explicit pictures. Nieves was married between 2003 and 2011, and gave birth to two children.
She claims that she in 2015 (?) got to know that a group of ex-bishops (among those expelled in 2000) planned to break into the Palmarian church compound, hold Gregory XVIII a prisoner and steal valuables from the church. Believing that these rumours were true, she was able to contact Pope Gregory, informing him about them. Following this initial contact, they had many long conversations over the phone. On 13 November 2015 they had a rendez-vous at a hotel in Granada, and met there on a couple of other occasions. She tells that Ginés was uncertain whether he should leave the church and live with her, but on 12 March 2016 he proposed to her.
In the magazine there is a picture of the Ginés and Nieves playing the parts of Adam and Eve.

But the journalist claims that Ginés accepting the apple from Nieves did not mean that he was expelled from paradise, but that he, at last, entered it. Most of the 10-page article contains pictures of Nieves in different positions, wearing revealing underwear. These pictures are mixed with images from Palmar de Troya, including portraits of the four popes.

What we do know is that Gines is the beneficial owner of the Palmarian property in Lusk and will he bring his bride to be to his property?