RECENT NEWS FROM THE PALMARIAN GROUP
Seemingly the new leader  peter wants to lift the rule of not communicating with non and ex palmarians. He seemingly has stated the Gines Hernadez (Gregory 18) had implemented very extreme and anticatholic rules. Peter (Odermatt) has focused on the communications rules and evidently wants to take a more balanced approach than Gines (who he refers to as diabolical) There is alot more news and we can see Eliseo undoing the tyranny of Gines. But one problem remains seemingly extremists inside of palmar are impeding the changes. Some of the extremists apparently have some sort of contact with Gines. We will keep you posted.

‘I have come to think that there are severe problems with Bhante’s [Sangharakshita’s] sexual activity in the past … in a sense he did not know what he was doing altogether and …some big mistakes were made … Wearing robes and having sex is just not on … As a spiritual teacher you carry a weight that does not allow you to simply be one human being with another human being. … That sexual activity was bound to lead to problems.’

Khalid Kelly, born Terence Edward Kelly  (1967 – 4 November 2016), also known as Abu Osama Al-Irlandi and Taliban Terry was born in the Liberties and was an Irish Muslim convert and at one time the leader of Al-Muhajiroun in Ireland.

Kelly was once a nurse. He was jailed in Saudi Arabia for making alcohol and transporting a large quantity of Johnnie Walker. Like Yvonne Ridley, he converted to Islam after being imprisoned in Saudi Arabia in 2000. He has a daughter who lives with her non-Muslim mother as well as two sons, Osama and Muhammed.

In November 2016 he was reported to have blown himself up on the orders of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) during the Battle of Mosul (2016)

This RTE documentary is an appropriate documentary to end the 100th Anniversary of 1916. Khalid Kelly‘s radical transformation from bootlegger to Islamist mirrors our own history of Proclaimist violence. When the Republic was proclaimed by the 7 signatories it was assumed that this entitled them to breach the laws of democracy and to open fire on anyone they wished. The evil Empire of Britain was fair game. You will note how Khalid took the same view when gave support to the Islamist project. We have grown weary of analysing our own violent origins but Khalid in a gentle way mouthed this same ideological perspective.

His final photograph as the programme shows is on the one hand an expression of despair and commitment but there is an air of uncertainty as if as the programme concludes he had boxed himself into death. Not as the valiant defender of Mosul but rather his world ended as T.S. Elliott puts it not with a ‘bang but a whimper.’ He goes not to a triumphant meeting with the virgins in paradise, but rather to the hell of his Christian origins.

http://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2016/1216/839396-prime-time-13-12-2016/

Anjem Choudary and Khalid Kelly on RTE Late, Late Show with Pat Kenny 2003

Reports about Khalid Kelly:

http://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/khalid-kelly-flew-england-say-12134718

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Kelly

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/05/irish-jihadist-khalid-kelly-blows-himself-up-in-islamic-state-su/

Khalid Kelly argues there is no such things as moderate or extreme Islam there is only Islam.

A response to the Gatestone Institute report on radical Islamists in Germany.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9614/germany-saudi-arabia-qatar-kuwait

“Declining to assimilate in the West continues with the apparent, religiously mandated, preference to have the host countries become Islamic.”
As Tom Holland has shown the actual shape of Islam is dependent on Byzantine Christianity. The notion of Christendom and Christian States is still held in the USA and Europe. Germany has state supported Churches. Can you blame Muslims for believing they have as much right to change countries into Islamic States? First of all there are no Christian states or nations. There are only Christians within each State. We must get rid of mind set of Christian Europe and see our states as secular as soon as possible. George Igler calls for assimilation for Muslims living in Germany. This is an unacceptable demand and must be resisted by all who believe in human rights. Assimilation leads to the loss of one’s own culture and identity. Anyone coming to any European country must integrate and respect the constitution of that state. Anyone attempting to set up an Islamic enclave using the device of Sharia law as a minority and seeking to undermine the constitution of that state must be expelled. We can’t have Apartheid Islamistans in our midst. However, religious freedom must be protected. This documentary gives a good insight into this issue.

Viewing this video and seeing the absolute position of Khalid Kelly will get the message across to the challenge we face.
There is in this article a confusion about the term Islam and Islamism. Daniel Pipes has argued the cure to radical Islam is moderate Islam. Obama and Merkel refuse to use the term Islam in their statements and critics of them both and Trump wants to stop all Muslims coming into the USA. The problem is not Islam, or Muslims but the cultist form of conditioned thinking we call Islamists who are no different from the same conditioned cultists that led the 1916 Uprising and who in every generation do the exactly the same things we see in Berlin, Brussels and Berlin.

Following the logic of this article the British should have banned all Irish people from the UK during the same type of campaign as we see here. In fact it was the Irish that first developed most of the strategies we are looking at currently in the 19th century such as the No warning bomb developed by Donovan Rossa.

The British were able to distinguish between the revolutionary IRA operatives under the cult of death ideology and undue influence and Irish people in general who were equally victims of this diseased ideology. Those responsible for this are trying to take over our Republic still and the 1916 commemorations have made their task easier.

The bloody aftermath of the Mount Street bomb, 29th October 1975

Police at the scene of the IRA Walton Street bomb

Campden Hill Square – explosion

Police marksmen train guns on first floor flat. Flat number 22b Balcombe Street ..

Now coming to Germany I must express an interest. I am the child of an Irish D Day veteran and a German mother whose father was in the Justice ministry of the Weimar Republic. I have been reading hatred directed against Merkel and comparing her policies to Bomber Harris or that she is the worst Chancellor since Adolf Hitler. Why? Because she allowed Muslims=Jihadis into Germany. When asked what they would have done with the refugees and migrants most of the suggestions are just totally off the wall and without any political possibility. Also they fail to take into account that the Belgian and French attacks were from people who were from communities within those countries, and not recent arrivals. In other words the issue was about the failure of integration not immigration. Most people reject the right wing parties that wish to feed politically of this mess in Germany. I find the reaction that suggests every terrorist action is directly related to the decision to allow migration last summer infantile and totally unfair. Germany has had a coalition for decades, what politically will be possible next year? Nothing. Merkel will in due course be recognised as the person who brought Germany to a place of resolution and proved that they have destroyed the ghosts of anti-semitism. That does not mean there is not a lot of work to be done in Germany. Last year she had Erdogan as an Islamist tyrant shooting down Russian planes, Russia rampant and Syria a war crime state with Isis everywhere. We are a continent which is near the end of its life span and the US Republic is likely to be coughing its last breath after next month after the Trump’s coronation. I use the word advisedly.

In an article yesterday I suggested that the Salifi project was not that foreign to Irish people in that an exponent of it was O’Donovan Rossa put forward this strategy of hit and run attacks which were to include civilians. In her magisterial book, The Seven published earlier this year Ruth Dudley Edwards alludes to this strategy on page 16 of her book.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2016/12/21/reflections-on-the-salification-of-germany/

“Self aggrandising, alcoholic, wildly indiscreet and prone to helping himself to funds, Rossa was set on sending waves of ‘skirmishers’ to England to slaughter, cause widespread panic and set the English against the Irish in their midst. His plans included the assassination of Queen Victoria, the poisoning of the entire House of Commons and the indiscriminate bombing of civilians.”

Last year this was the person the Irish state commemorated as a true patriot and it kicked off the commemorations which celebrated 1916. Patrick Pearse the exponent of this cult of death built his authority having given the oration at the funeral of Rossa.

The Catholic Church endorsed this cult of death this year in suggesting that the Rising was of a deeply Christian nature. This was expressed by both the Archbishop of Armagh, Eamon Martin and by Diarmuid Martin Archbishop of Dublin.

http://www.meforum.org/6432/israeli-fires-and-irish-skirmishers

Wildfires sweeping into Israel’s third largest city of Haifa last month.

The 1,773 fires that ravaged Israel in November may or may not have been started by terrorists, but the arrests of dozens of suspects have inspired pundits to speculate about “arson terrorism” as the latest stage in the evolution of jihadist tactics.

If fires that destroyed thousands of acres in Israel were set deliberately by Palestinian terrorists, it would not be the first time arson has been used as an act of terror. In February 2009, Mervyn F. Bendle used the term “bushfire jihad” to describe fires raging in Victoria, Australia, which he argued were the result of an act of “pyroterrorism,” exacerbated when three fires combined into one and burned for weeks.

After the Australian fire, Daniel Pipes began documenting the increasing use of fire as a jihad tactic, especially in Israel. But most of these attacks have involved small-scale arson. The fires in Israel suggest a much more widespread and orchestrated attack.

Something very much like what some are (perhaps prematurely) calling the “Arson Intifada” was conceived in the late nineteenth century by Jeremiah O’Donovan Rossa (1831-1915). Rossa, a founder of the Irish Republican Brotherhood (a forerunner to the Irish Republican Army), went into exile in New York City after being released as part of the Fenian Amnesty of 1870 and dedicated himself to the achievement of Irish independence through violence, or what was called at the time “propaganda by the deed.”

Jeremiah O’Donovan Rossa spent his life fighting for Irish independence.

In provocative columns for the (short-lived) New York weekly Irish World in the 1870s (excerpted in the paper’s subsequent disavowal), Rossa introduced the concept of hit-and-run arson attacks by what he called “skirmishers” – clandestine attackers, masquerading as civilians.

A “small and resolute band of men, say ten or a dozen” could terrorize England on a night when “the wind was blowing strong,” he maintained. “In two hours from the word of command, London would be in flames, shooting up to the heavens in 50 different places.” This initial conflagration of fires would surely overwhelm and distract London’s response teams. “Whilst this would be going on, the men could be still at work. The blazing spectacle would attract all eyes and leave the skirmishers to operate with impunity in the darkness.”

Rossa called for skirmishers to work with “each man setting about his allotted task, and no man, save the captain of the band alone, knowing what any other man was to do,” anticipating the modern practice of horizontal cell-based terrorist groups.

He understood that Irishmen had a critical advantage over other enemies England faced. “Spaniards in the days of the Invincible Armada, and Zulus today, could not do what English-speaking Irishmen can accomplish…our Irish skirmishers would be well-disguised.”

Like the skirmishers, the Palestinian terrorists “from long residence in the enemy’s country know [its] cities well,” operate in cells, and have learned to multiply the confusion and chaos of their attacks by hitting multiple targets simultaneously or by staging multiple bombs on a single target. A premeditated arson campaign suggests a further crystallization of these lessons.

Which Palestinian terrorist group hasn’t noticed what the fires of November did to Israel?

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has acknowledged that the fires are “terror in every way,” vowing that the arsonists/terrorists will be punished. He will surely accomplish that.

When Israel built a barrier to keep out suicide bombers, missiles began flying into the country. When Iron Dome stopped most of that threat, multiple and unpredictable knife attacks began. Vigilant citizens and active policing have since diminished that threat.

Now that we have seen how effective and devastating a pyroterror event can be, the larger challenge will be figuring how to prevent Palestinian skirmishers from wreaking havoc. For which Palestinian terrorist organization has not noticed what the fires of November did to Israel?

A genuine fire intifada will be difficult to combat.

A.J. Caschetta is a Shillman-Ginsburg fellow at the Middle East Forum and a senior lecturer at the Rochester Institute of Technology.

Two Bullies, Putin and Erdoğan, Try Friendship

by Daniel Pipes
Australian
December 23, 2016

http://www.danielpipes.org/17135/two-bullies-putin-and-erdogan-try-friendship

[N.B.: Australian‘s title: “Erdogan cosies up to Putin as Turkey makes trouble.”]

The assassination on Dec. 19 in Ankara of the Russian ambassador to Turkey, Andrey Karlov, raises some major geopolitical issues: Will this act of violence break relations between the two countries, isolate Turkey, or – counterintuitively – improve their ties? And does this murder affect the Middle East and the world beyond?

Turks and Russians have a long and complex history that starts with the Ottoman conquest of Constantinople in 1453 and the Russian dream to win it back for Orthodox Christianity. The two states fought twelve major wars in the 3½ centuries between 1568 and 1918, had a flurry of good relations under Atatürk and Lenin which went south with Stalin, improved substantially in 1991 upon the Soviet Union’s dissolution, then subsequently plummeted (2015) and revived (2016).

One depiction of the siege of Constantinople in 1453.

Generally, Russians have enjoyed the whip hand. They won most wars, occupied most land, and came away with better terms in treaties. Turks long ago realized their need of Western support to fend off Russia: thus, they won support from a 4-power coalition in mid-nineteenth century, the Central Powers in World War I, and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) during and after the Cold War.

Fear of Moscow has influenced Turks in deeper ways too, steadily inclining them toward Western ways; of all Muslims, Turks have been the most open to Western influence, from drinking wine to building democracy. A Turk, Kemal Atatürk, not coincidentally stands out as the most influential Muslim Westernizer.

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan may not like NATO but he needs it.

These centuries-old patterns remained mostly in place until the strongman Islamist president of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, decided in November 2015 to bring down a Russian war jet for allegedly breaching Turkish airspace. Whatever his reason – perhaps retaliation for a comparable shooting down of a Turkish plane by Syrian forces in 2012 – this capricious act both infuriated Russia’s President Vladimir Putin and alienated NATO leaders. Put in schoolyard terms, the little bully misjudged in taking on the big bully.

Erdoğan eventually realized his mistake and in June 2016, he swallowed his engorged pride, apologized to Putin, humbly visited him in Russia, and partially retreated from those Turkish policies in Syria that contradicted Putin’s. Without betraying affection or trust for Erdoğan, the Russian leader absorbed these concessions and resumed cooperating with him.

Then, this past Monday, came the assassination of the Russian ambassador at an art exhibit, of all places, made the more horrifying and vivid by a high-resolution video of the violence. The murderer, Mevlüt Mert Altıntaş, 22, made explicit his outlook and purpose by shouting before his own death by gunfire, “We are the ones who obey the call of jihad! Allahu Akbar! Don’t forget Aleppo! Don’t forget Syria!” Assuming someone who yells slogans as he murders and is killed tells the truth, Altıntaş was a Sunni jihadi lashing out against Russian military help in Syria for the enemies of other Sunni jihadis.

As is their wont, the Turkish authorities rushed to pronounce Altıntaş an agent of one mortal domestic enemy, the Hizmet movement of Fethullah Gülen. Once close allies, Gülen and Erdoğan murderously fell out in a tiff over power in 2011. Since then, Erdoğan has been trying to crush Gülen and his millions of adepts by blaming every problem on them. Pinning Altıntaş on Gülen both fit that hackneyed narrative and signaled Moscow that the Republic of Turkey sees the murderer as their mutual enemy. Putin obligingly responded in kind, ascribing the murder to “terrorism” and not holding Erdoğan’s team responsible.

Indeed, in an ironic contrast to Altıntaş’ presumed wishes, his act of violence brought the two strongmen closer together; a Chicago Tribune analysis finds “Russia reaping political benefits by arguing that it has paid a high price for fighting terrorism as Turkey, embarrassed by its security breaches, increasingly coordinates with Russia in neighboring Syria.”

That said, relations between the two states remain fraught with tensions: Historic enemies remember grudges. Bullies cannot form a stable relationship. Opponents in Syria’s civil war cannot smooth over contrary goals. Structurally, Ankara needs NATO; so, talk of its joining the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, the Russian-Chinese counterpart to NATO, appears to be blather for pressuring Westerners.

Karlov’s murder highlights how, as Turks increasingly self-isolate and go rogue, this country of 75 million becomes a leading source of instability. While still a member of NATO, Erdoğan’s Turkey, now challenges Khomeinist Iran for the title of the Middle East’s most dangerous regime.

Mr. Pipes (DanielPipes.org, @DanielPipes) is president of the Middle East Forum. © 2016 by Daniel Pipes. All rights reserved.

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Sometimes you need a novel to break through the cultist mental manipulation?

Linda Smith wrote recently,

I just read an article on your webpage regarding Catholic Lay Movements with cultist attributes. Some former members of these movements questioned why some bishops are so slow to take seriously their concerns about these organizations.

We publish the story around the abuser Sogyal Rinpoche who has a centre in West Cork which President McAleese continues to endorse.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/buddhist/tibetan-buddhism-lamaism/

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/buddhist/rigpa/

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2011/06/14/bad-karma-by-gabrielle-monaghan-sunday-times-june-12-2011-rigpas-sogyal/

Mary Finnigan: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfr…
Interview with Mary Finnigan: http://www.mythicistmilwaukee.com/myt…
Marion Dapsance: https://www.academia.edu/8283817/_Whe…
Interview with Olivier Raurich: http://buddhism-controversy-blog.com/…
Interview with Mimi: https://buddhism-controversy-blog.com…
Interview with Marion Dapsance: https://buddhism-controversy-blog.com…

This documentary shows that the Dalai Lama is complicit in this sordid tale.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2013/08/08/httpdialogueireland-wordpress-comthe-visit-of-his-holiness-the-dalai-lama-to-lerab-ling-2008/

This article was published by Tomas West under the title:

The Trump administration’s Moral Compass

It is estimated that sociopaths occupy about 1% of the general population.  A small number, but they have a significant effect on their prey. Victims often experience a profound emotional response and may demonstrate symptoms akin to post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

Like many people I watched the US election with some concern. I am aware that as an Irish person the democratic process of an election in another country is not my direct concern, however, the US president occupies a vital space and will have a bearing on the entire world. The behaviour of the US becomes important to everyone but especially those living in western democracies.

The diagnosis of a sociopath/psychopath is difficult and not one that I am qualified to make, it would be quite wrong to accuse anyone of such a disorder. It is not my intention to do so. The Hare Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R) developed by Dr. Robert Hare requires a suitably qualified expert to administer.

This caution, however, has to be balanced by the need to recognise sociopathic behaviour so that potential victims can protect themselves from the traumatic effect that can result from contact. Most cults demonstrate sociopathic traits and by looking at those traits rather than the individual leader it’s possible to identify if the organisation is acting in a sociopathic manner. My purpose is not to level an accusation against individuals but to ask the question, is the current US administration acting in a sociopathic manner?

There were two issues raised by the new Trump administration this week. The first is the rather bizarre insistence that the inauguration attendance was “the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period” against the best available evidence to the contrary. The second is Trump’s statement when he asked his intelligence chiefs earlier this week whether torture works. “The answer was yes, absolutely,” he said.

The first is almost comical and seems to serve no real purpose other than to bolster the administrations ego. Perhaps Kellyanne Conway’s term “alternative facts” is a key to what is possibly at work. Sociopaths endeavour to establish their (usually self-serving) version of reality. Repeating falsehoods and exaggerations often enough without any apparent shame has a profound effect on the victim. They begin to doubt their own ability to determine right from wrong. In this altered state they are not able to respond effectively while the sociopath begins to establish their power and control. This may or may not be what is happening in the early days of the administration but it is worth considering.

The second is much more serious, note the words being used. It’s not whether torture is right or wrong but rather the belief that it works. No moral reflection on its use but simply articulating the belief that it is effective. Torture is legally defined as “Torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession….” Extract from Article 1 of the United Nations Convention Against Torture.

There is much pedantic argument about whether water boarding constitutes torture or not and it’s not really the point of this post. Waterboarding is torture (I’m tempted to say period!,) it’s not administrated as a therapy.

Does the Trump administration want to introduce torture? Will the US people go along with this activity in their name? It was the Bush (Republican) administration that acted to ban its use against prisoners. Despite most psychological evidence that torture is, in fact, ineffective there is the more serious question of its morality and the subsequent negative effective on the perpetrator. William Menold who took part in Milgram’s experiment where he thought he was inflicting electric shocks to a victim described himself as a “basket case and emotional wreck” when he realised what he had done. Apart from the obvious negative affect on the victim, torture is non effective and damaging to the perpetrator.

The best way to deal with a sociopath is simply to get away from them. If the current administration is indeed sociopathic then that is impossible for the next four years. There are three responses that are important to consider,

1. Maintain reality, resist any attempt to redefine it and accept “alternative facts”. Sociopaths love having their own self-serving version of reality accepted as the status quo.

2. Maintain support for any victims. Sociopaths work to divide and isolate those that call them to account. The refusal to allow CNN’s question at a press conference requires the free US press to support their colleagues. There is much more at stake than circulation numbers.

3. Continue to hold the administration to account. What evidence is there that “intelligence chiefs” believe that torture is effective? Who are they? On what do they base this assertion? Did they even say such a thing? If they did then remind them that they will be held responsible for torturing US prisoners both legally and morally. Ask Republican representatives if they are going to support the use of torture in the name of the people of the US?

The Victorians did not use the term sociopath/psychopath. The term they used was, however, very applicable. They referred to sociopaths as moral imbeciles.  It’s too early to say if this administration is going to be any more sociopathic than previous ones. The above three responses seem to be useful in the protection of all democracies in any event. If it transpires that the sociopathic tendencies of the administration are obvious and escalating then there may be no use in trying to repair their moral compass, they might not actually have one.

Joe Duffy talked to Daniel about his near recruitment to the Scientology Org. Daniel does not seem to understand that they were trying to hook him big time. He has some insight into the goals of Scientology but seems rather naive as to his playing with fire. He does gain some insight into the new HQ on Merrion Square but in general does not grasp the enormity of what he has got himself involved with.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/therapy-groups/scientology

What was strange was that no one was invited to the opening of the building and all the people who were at the opening other than a few Irish members were bused in. The person who is running the operation is Lady McNair who had a starring performance on the Late Late Show 22 years ago in February 1995.

http://dialogueireland.org/dicontent/resources/video/latelate.html

After no one could get in I phoned up the office and asked to speak to the Director. I was put through to Margaret McNair and she was in the middle of a board meeting. She would get back to me…….?

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2016/10/12/opening-of-the-scientology-organisation-so-hq-on-october-15-2016/

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2016/10/17/scientology-non-church-organisation-opens-in-dublin-with-a-lot-of-blow-ins/

Interesting enough at an event for ex Scientologists she was outed in trying to close down the conference. See why and how?

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/organising-a-conference-a-couple-of-tips-in-how-to-neutralise-scientology/

Here is the interview with Daniel.

Then Joe interviews John Hearne who does not seem to understand what happened to him. He is in a long line of civic leaders used to promote Scientology.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2016/10/09/mayors-acted-as-stooges-for-scientologists-by-mark-tighe-the-sunday-times-october-9-2016/

Finally on Thursday Liveline talks to Rod Keller who was one of the first to draw attention to what was going on in Dublin and he appeared on one of the best sources of information about Scientology Tony Ortega and his Underground Bunker.

Rod Keller gives a very insightful report on the opening of a National HQ in the Underground Bunker. It is clear that Scientology for whatever reason sees Ireland as important in its global strategy.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2016/09/26/scientology-in-ireland-is-nearly-dead-heres-how-tom-cruise-the-gang-plan-to-bring-it-back/

Then on the next day Joe takes a call from John McGhee. He was involved with Scientology and gave a very coherent outline what Daniel was not really able to grasp. John had been found guilty of assault in a bizarre case involving a case involving Pete Griffith who claimed to have been defamed by Zabrina Collins a few years earlier. However, we had the weird thing of what appeared to have been a clear attempt to sabotage this case and the resultant collapse of the campaign against Scientology in Ireland. John became as fanatical and under undue influence as he had been when a cultist now as an anti cultist.

You can form your own view by reading about the case here:

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2016/01/30/report-on-the-defamation-and-assault-cases-in-the-civil-circuit-court-january-27-and-28-2016/

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2016/04/26/bad-day-for-the-scientologists-ex-scientologists-understanding-cultism-and-common-sense/

Here is interview with John McGhee with Joe

Southern Protestants and UCD Folklore Project
Friday 17 February 2017 12:00
Researcher Deirdre Nuttall of the National Folklore Collection and journalist and farmer from Wexford, Margaret Hawkins spoke to us this morning.

You can hear about Margaret Hawkins experience starting at 5:30 on the Report.

Then so that the public can study about them here is a link to them on our blog.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/christian/two-by-twos/

Reply from a ‘Worker’ to the post, “Two by Twos” by someone who grew up and out of the movement.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/02/18/reply-from-a-worker-to-the-post-two-by-twos-by-someone-who-grew-up-and-out-of-the-movement/

If I look at the quotes here and the worker’s response, on the whole the quotes more reflect my own experience (from thirty years ago in the UK, and as far as I can tell not very much has changed since then). Mentioning the origin of the group is a big no-no; members here as far as I know are still generally unaware of it. I was always told “the meetings” have no Earthly founder, unlike other sects and denominations. People are discouraged somewhat from associating with outsiders (although I have never been shunned by my relatives in the “Truth”).

There is, it seems to me, pressure on teenagers to “profess”. I think the worker is right (in this region) in saying that people are if anything encouraged to tell people about the “Truth”, but people are not given any kind of full explanation of the Truth’s beliefs, and are expected to absorb it gradually from attending gospel meetings (where pairs of workers speak).

The problems really with “the Truth” stem from (in my experience and in my area of the UK at least) the history and hierarchy of the sect being basically covered up, and their beliefs not published — but nevertheless rigorously enforced. People are told they are the only true Christians and (enforced through fear of shame) cannot then make their own choices about their clothing, whether or not they watch TV, whether or not workers stay in their houses, etc.

They have to be very careful not to be seen to have a “wrong spirit”, which could result in a lot of psychological pressure being put on them, or even in them being, in effect, excommunicated (even though the group does not use this word).

It’s not like the Church of England, where members decide for themselves how to act in accordance with their religion, and everything is published and made clear at the outset to anyone who asks or searches the Internet. Workers do not like detailed questions from outsiders or new members, an lie about their founder (or do not know themselves).

The normal checks and balances that other religions, denominations and sects, and even commercial companies, are obliged to put in place in order to safeguard members as much as possible, are (again, in my experience) quite deliberately ignored and denied in the Truth, and this leads to a lot of real problems for a lot of real people.

The church DOES have a doctrine (which differs somewhat from place to place, it seems, as the Internet reveals) and definitely has a hierarchy. It has many rules, which are not written down but are nevertheless enforced. Members can be put under a lot of pressure or expelled for not following these rules. This does not seem right to me.

You cannot get these rules from the Bible. In this day and age, the Truth needs to ensure that all members in all regions are able to obtain information about the founding, hierarchy and rules of the sect without being subject to disapproval from members — because at the same time that they are told “judge not lest ye be judged” (which personally I agree with), they are actually judged by workers and by each other to a greater extent than any other Christian group I have encountered.

There are many good aspects to the “Truth”; although I left as a teenager, I absorbed some good precepts from it, and many members are lovely and sincere people. Other aspects, however, are troubling — principally the secrecy. People who join do not know what they are getting into and many longstanding members do not know anything of the group’s history and little or nothing of its hierarchical structure.

The “workers” are often good and sincere people, but they often are fully provided for — so “worker” seems a bit of a misnomer, at least in some cases. Members seem to feel obliged to let the workers stay in their homes and to provide them with meals, transport and so on. It may well vary, but to me the life of at least some workers seems particularly easy. They claim essentially to be humble mouthpieces of God, but it’s not hard to find workers who really are astonishingly arrogant.

I remember hearing often from workers in “gospel meetings” about how scientists are arrogant and people who don’t accept “the Truth” are arrogant. But then I met many scientists and found them generally somewhat more humble than the average person, if anything, and certainly more humble than many workers.

Workers, on the other hand, claim to speak for God and claim to be the only people who speak for God.

The “Truth” needs more transparency and toleration, and members deserve to know when the movement was founded (1897) and by whom, even if they regard this founding as merely a return to what they consider to be the correct interpretation of the teachings of Jesus. Member deserve to know who is deciding what and that the overseers exist. I think things are improving, but only slowly.

Their invitations to used to say “non denominational Christian fellowship meetings”, but to an “outsider”, this is simply a falsehood. They are the very opposite to “non-denominational”. It is not right to have a very particular set of beliefs (women having to wear hair in buns and to wear skirts, no televisions or radios or popular music, etc), a clear hierarchy, a definite founder (William Irvine) and yet to avoid identifying themselves with any particular name to outsiders and avoid mentioning most of this at the outset.

Rules even extend to things like pianos being approved of (for playing hymns, mainly), but guitars being disapproved of, even if solely hymns are played on guitars. But these rules are not written down, and yet they are enforced through people being made to feel uncomfortable or ashamed if they break them.

Every movement has its bad apples, and there is a record now of various workers being convicted of child abuse. Yet members often seem more concerned about protecting the sect than exposing wrongdoing. They are also afraid to say anything against the workers and often do not feel they can refuse to let workers stay in their houses. This is why published rules and safeguards are needed, as in any other religious movements.

Followers allege they were coerced into sex in 1970s and 80s with elders of UK’s Triratna order

‘Deep regret’: Dennis Lingwood, now frail at 91, is the founder of the Triratna order. Photograph: Vimeo

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/19/buddhist-sexual-abuse-triratna-dennis-lingwood

Lost in Translation? You Will Be If You Take up a Scientology Job Offer.

Updated on April 15, 2017

https://hubpages.com/politics/Lost-in-translation-You-will-be-if-you-take-up-a-Scientology-job-offer

Get a sense of John’s own story here.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2013/12/23/john-duignan-on-rtes-the-moment-of-truth/

I am aware that English to Irish translation gigs can be hard to come by. It is tough enough getting steady work in modern European languages, so the prospect of paid employment in your chosen field will be enticing to say the least. But be well warned; working in any capacity for Scientology under even its most innocuous sounding front groups, is a minefield from which few come out unscathed. ‘That way lies madness’ as the saying goes.

Because what I write below may seem a little bit harsh, I had better prefix the article with a statement of my credentials. I was recruited into Scientology in 1986 and rapidly moved into its inner and most militant core, The Sea Organisation – a quasi military, fanatical brotherhood that owns and jealously protects all properties, both intellectual and substantial, that fall under the International Scientology Corporate remit.

I escaped – in the literal sense – in 2006. It was a twenty year long nightmare, and to this day I still suffer nightmares and wake up in a cold sweat, having dreamt that I was once more trapped within that hellish regime.

While working in many executive and administrative roles within the organisation, I became involved in various projects to oversee and manage translation work including an English to Hindi project and an English to Hungarian project. Thus, to misquote Gandalf; I know whereof I speak.’

You see it on the likes of Twitter and Facebook all the time, emotional appeals to one’s better nature. A click of the mouse to indicate support of an ostensibly decent cause and then the horror of realizing that you have ‘liked’ a pro-NAZI hate group, or lent your support to some unhinged anti-science cult.

The Scientology Irish Translation Project is simply a more sophisticated version of the above. It is a net thrown out broadly to catch unsuspecting lovers of Irish language and culture. A fishing lure cast into humanity’s stream to bag a prize specimen. Those that speak, write and translate Irish are a rare species. They are a cut above, by virtue of the necessary brain power and linguistic dexterity required to translate, not merely words, but history, values and culture, from one set to another.

Scientology has achieved a singularity in Western culture, becoming a byword for all that is crazy, all that is despicable in our modern world. Thanks, in particular to the likes of the ‘Google Search engine and internet troublemakers like Anonymous, it has thus done its best to disguise its recruitment efforts. Luring the unsuspecting with innocuous ‘entry level’ courses and front groups such as NARCONON, WISE, The Way To Happiness Foundation and indeed, YHRI or Youth for Human Rights International. But once you have become enmeshed you will find that you are involved in a cult that has Science Fiction as its core theology and practices that are rooted in the methods of the occultist, Alex Crowley. You will find an anti-intellectual, white supremacist, homophobic scripture that makes Ayn Rand’s writings look like a children’s ‘Lady Bird’ picture book. And if you dare become an apostate it will use its vast wealth and its paid-for politicians and police officers to crush you.

Opposition is met with endless litigation that leaves the unsuspecting bankrupt, exhausted and broken. While high profile Scientology evangelists such as Tom Cruise, dazzle us at movie premiers and lend their glitz to unsuspecting politicians desperate for media attention, behind the scenes well intentioned, garden variety folks are being bled dry. Children are being denied their rights of freedom of body, thought and expression, elderly are being abused in unconscionable ways.

Of course you could not possibly know what really goes on unless you have either lived deep within the bowels of this organisation or challenged them in court. The fanatics that operate its public relations and it external security arms do everything in their power to project an acceptable image. Judging by the ‘South Park’ Trapped in The Closet’ episode and the ensuing hilarity it garnered across the ethersphere, they really need to rethink their approach.

Just imagine the shocked silence at the gathering of friends and family, you, a thoughtful, hardworking translator, with years of sweating through your BA, MA and PHD degrees, stumbling through an explanation as to who you are working for these days. “I um, am translating for Scientology, yes, that’s right, the Tom Cruise cult, the one featured on South Park… “ Ouch.

Now to the nitty gritty. Supposing you do take up the offer and embark on a project to translate the quirky language of a not altogether sane and balanced narcissistic megalomaniac who was more often than not out of his head on a smorgasbord of illicit drugs when lecturing to his worshipful devotees back in the 1950s and 1960s. Let me first put you in the mindset of the founder of Scientology, Hubbard, the Guru, the All Knowing Leader.

In 1956 he opened the first Irish Scientology Centre on 69 Merrion Square, calling it ‘The Atomic Energy Healing Division Emergency Station’. That went down well. It was closed within twenty four months.

He was convinced that humans are infested with alien beings and that a Scientologist must be cleansed of this infestation through an endless process of guided introspective audits that one can expect to be engaged in for at least four hours every day for a minimum of twenty years.

The above process will cost a minimum of twelve hundred Euros for each twelve hour block. You will have spent in excess of five hundred thousand by the time you reach the end of this process.

Scientology runs a standard ‘past life security check’ that is regularly carried out on children as young as ten years old as well as adults. It contains such questions as: ‘Have you ever had anything to do with a brothel?’ Have you ever slept with a member of a race of another colour? Have you ever raped anybody? Have you ever had anything to do with communism or are you a communist? And this little zinger ‘Have you ever had anything to do with a baby farm?

Try to translate that into Irish.

Translating Scientology materials will be a very different process to say, translating PD James or even Jack Kerouac. You will need to learn a bewildering array of acronyms, for example BTs – that is Body Thetans – as well as a swath of terms Hubbard invented for his esoteric ‘philosophical system’. These include: Isness, havingness, Hubbard’s very own definition of Affinity, Thetan. And you will have to become intimate with at least twenty charts including ‘The Hubbard Chart of Human Evaluation’ – From an alien perspective – joke – The Hubbard Gradation Chart of Awareness, The 0 to Havingness Scale. I could go on.

In order to fully comprehend these and the many other facets of Scientology you will be required to take Scientology courses and indeed engage in Scientology audits. You will be pushed to sign up for paid courses and believe me, any hard won financial gain you hoped to achieve through your efforts will be swallowed up, or better yet, dissipate, just as the mirage-like Turloughs of the Burren district in County Clare do.

Scientology runs a uniquely frustrating financial and administrative system. The international corporate organisation is worth somewhere in the multi billion mark, but that treasure is stored in offshore accounts, the Netherland Antilles being a prime location for its banking needs. But you will not be working for the international operation. You will be working for either its European book publish arm, New Era Publications, its US subsidiary, Bridge Publications or its audio visual branch, Golden Era Productions. These work a Thursday to Thursday financial and administrative week. All books must be closed out by Thursday at 2pm. All the weekly income is then calculated and a mandatory 70% of that is filtered off through a bewildering system bank accounts, dummy corporations and tax feints to the Caribbean banks.

Any and all of the Scientology companies you work for have to fund their entire operations from the remaining 30% of that weekly income. The income is made from persuading people to buy Scientology courses and procedures, it is not exactly Starbucks, so you can be fairly certain that the weekly operating capital will be very tight indeed. New Era Publications operates a large printing administrative and distribution centre in the city of Copenhagen, that is an expensive place to do business. After vital costs such as utilities, rates, essential services and administration has been allocated, little old you, the busy translator, will be sitting down at the lower end of a list of necessities and creditors. In short, you can expect to have to fight for your pay.

I cannot tell you how many unwitting contractors and creditors I have seen walk away in tears of frustration after months of trying to get payment from Scientology organisations.

So be warned, humble translator, stay away from Scientology. As I said earlier, That way lies madness.

Irish version of John’s article

http://tuairisc.ie/folaireamh-tugtha-ag-iarbhall-den-church-of-scientology-daistritheoiri-gaeilge/

Here is the report:

https://mobile.twitter.com/NuachtTG4/status/854400135928971264/video/1

A few weeks ago I received a call from Shane Ó Curraighín from the news/ Nuacht RTÉ/TG4 about the the SO plan to recruit translators. I told him about a report I read last year and he then sent me the letter he had sent them to ask for an interview. That was his first problem. Scientology hate journalists and even though they opened a new HQ on Merrion Square they in fact refuse to let anyone into the place. It seems to be a celebrity project of the type which celebrates places wherever LR Hubbard lived and they open a very expensive building but nothing goes on there.

Note in the picture below the crowd. All bused in for the day and those in uniform are not on a day outing from Ryanair but the officials also bused. I often phone the place and no one is there. Bizarre but very SO.

Hi Mike,

Below is the statement which the Church of Scientology provided. They’re offering €.09 per word they’re looking for translators to translate up to 5,000 words per week. They’ve said in their job advert that they hope to have the project completed by July.

We would like to ask you for your analysis on the Church’s campaign to have their text translated into Irish and your opinion on why they’re making a push with the translation.

Regards,

Shane

Shane is then referred to the Mission on Middle Abbey St and it is the the CCHR address he is given that is the organisation that regards all psychiatric drugs as arising from the Nazis. So they run an anti drug routine called Narconon but in reality it is not an anti drugs campaign but Scientology under another name.

http://www.dialogueireland.org/cchr/

— Original Message ——–
Subject: Nuacht RTÉ/TG4: Interview/Statement Request
Date: 2017-04-17 09:54
From: Ó Curraighín, Shane ocurraighins@rte.ie

To: “info@cchr.ie” info@cchr.ie

Alex, a chara,

My name is Shane Ó Curraighín, a reporter with Nuacht RTÉ/TG4 in
Galway, we spoke on the phone this morning. We are doing a report this
evening about the Church of Scientology campaign to hire Irish language
translators to translate texts and materials.

Would a Church of Scientology representative be available to do an
interview in Galway in Irish about your hiring campaign? If not, could
you provide a statement on the following questions?

Why has the Church of Scientology decided to translate texts into Irish?

How many Irish language translators do you require?

How many Irish language translators does the Church of Scientology have
working at the moment?

What is the rate of pay you are offering for Irish language translators
to translate your work?

Please contact me on 087 7667 853 if you have any queries about my
request.

Le meas,

Shane Ó Curraighín
SHANE Ó CURRAIGHÍN Iriseoir, Nuacht RTÉ/TG4

RTÉ

Baile na hAbhann, Co. na Gaillimh            M: +353 87 7667 853 E: ocurraighins@rte.iewww.rte.ie/news/nuacht

 Note address it is media relations? They don’t do relations.

From: Media Relations mediarelations@scientology.ie
Sent: 17 April 2017 19:44
To: Ó Curraighín, Shane
Subject: Re: Nuacht RTÉ/TG4: Interview/Statement Request

 

Shane, a chara,
Thank you very much for your enquiry.

Unfortunately, we don’t have someone available for an interview, so I will give you the following statement:

We have translated our religious works into over 50 languages and Irish is one of our newest projects, which we are very excited about.

Our Founder, L Ron Hubbard, had a special love for the Irish, from when he visited Dublin in 1956. He specifically went to Dublin to pilot seminars on the subject of personnel efficiency, with people from all walks of life. This resulted in the Church’s “Personal Efficiency Course” being adopted internationally as an introductory course in Scientology. (This is a course that teaches the underlying rules of life and how to apply these principles, so that the student can achieve security in their job, relationships, and all other areas of living.)

We also recognize the historical and cultural importance of the Irish language and the measures being taken to preserve its use. It is an honour for us to contribute to this resurgence by translating around 10 million words into Irish and have it available for study for the generations to come.

The number of translators is increasing almost daily and the final number isn’t known, as there is much to translate. Pay rate is 9 Euro cents per word for usually extensive projects.

We have had some encouraging responses from translators:

“I wish more Churches would translate their materials in our language.”

“Bless the Church of Scientology for investing in our language.”

“I am happy that Scientology is translating their materials into Irish. It is appreciated.”

“I was very interested to receive your message and learn of your interest in the Irish language. I commend the undertaking.”

“I would love to be involved in the project and I look forward to hearing more about what you need and the next steps. Again, I am delighted to be acquainted with you. What a wonderful venture in which you are involved.”

“I find this project interesting on many levels – in particular linguistically!!! Extremely interesting information.”

“The material from your organization is very interesting and it is very clear that your team is organized, adept and is determined to reach their goal. I feel it would be inspirational to be part of such a team and it would also be a creative way to give back to others.”

le meas,

Graeme Wilson

This very same letter was sent out last year when another journalist sought to interview someone. It is pure PR exercise and likely hides that they do not even have an Irish speaker.

Graeme is a member of the Office of Special Affairs based in East Grinstead in East Sussex. In fact my guess is that they try to get a hold of some TD and bring them on a trip to Florida as they did last year.

Irish translator

• Cork / Galway / Dublin
• See description
• Updated 12/04/2017
• HR

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Description

Hiring Irish translators to translate Scientology texts from English to Irish. Can be done from home. Only internet connection required. Part-time and Full-time accepted. Stable work for months.

 

Details on the position:

We are looking for Irish speaking translators to do the translation of Scientology texts (books, public lectures, courses, brochures and more) from English to Irish. The texts are mainly humanitarian and self-improvement related.

Preferably the work is done on a full-time basis, however part-time applications are accepted as well.
A minimum of 5000 words/week is required.

Reporting to:
A Project Manager will assign you the work and help you with anything needed.

Minimum qualifications:
BA or MA in Irish. However if you are a native speaker and consider your level of Irish sufficient to translate we will consider your application.

Required competencies:
Proficiency in written Irish.

Reason for this project:
Due to a surge in interest in Scientology in Ireland the Church has undertaken to translate all its materials into Irish. Scientology materials are already available in more than 50 languages and Irish will be the next one.

Necessary experience:
Previous translation experience preferable but not required.

Advantages:
The job can be done from anywhere as it only requires a computer to work and an internet connection to download and upload the translation. The translation is usually needed on a weekly basis, therefore you can schedule when you do it at your own convenience.

Length:
The project is already on going and is planned to continue until July. Possibility to continue with a second phase afterward.

Frequently asked questions:

1. Is the work proofread?
The translators do their own proofreading. A reviewer will go through afterwards but for consistency of terminology only.

2. Does the translator’s name ever accompany a published translation, or appear anywhere on the clients website?
No.

3. What are your payment terms?
We pay 0.09 euros/word. Upon completion of each task an invoice has to be sent to the Project Manager. Once the invoice is received you will get your payment within 7 days.

The rate is such for mainly two reasons:

4. a) There are many repetitions throughout the materials, making it faster and easier for the translators as they go along since we use a translation memory used and fed by all translators.
   b) The project is of considerable size and will provide stable translation work for a long period of time, this does influence the budget as well as the rate. What translation technology do you use?
   Trados software or in case you do not have it you can be set up with the SDL WorldServer Desktop Workbench for free.

   5. Do you require freelance translators to sign a contract?
   No. Only a copyright agreement is to be signed.

   Click the Apply Button below to send us your application.

Apply Now Report This Job

http://www.irishjobs.ie/Recruiters/Church-of-Scientology-10261.aspx

 

Church of Scientology

 

Follow This Company

http://www.scientology.org

As part of the sales pitch they explain what Scientology is.

WHAT IS SCIENTOLOGY?

Developed by L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology is a religion that offers a precise path leading to a complete and certain understanding of one’s true spiritual nature and one’s relationship to self, family, groups, Mankind, all life forms, the material universe, the spiritual universe and the Supreme Being.

Scientology addresses the spirit—not the body or mind—and believes that Man is far more than a product of his environment, or his genes.

Scientology comprises a body of knowledge which extends from certain fundamental truths. Prime among these are:

Man is an immortal spiritual being.

His experience extends well beyond a single lifetime.

His capabilities are unlimited, even if not presently realized.

Scientology further holds Man to be basically good, and that his spiritual salvation depends upon himself, his fellows and his attainment of brotherhood with the universe.

Scientology is not a dogmatic religion in which one is asked to accept anything on faith alone. On the contrary, one discovers for oneself that the principles of Scientology are true by applying its principles and observing or experiencing the results.

The ultimate goal of Scientology is true spiritual enlightenment and freedom for all.

 

WHAT IS THE TRANSLATIONS UNIT OF THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY?

This is the department of the Church responsible for the translations of all L. Ron Hubbard materials in every major language of Earth ‒ over 60 in all. Books, lectures, courses, booklets and more are all produced here and then sent to our publishing houses for printing and shipping.

We take care of the translations, editing, proofreading and typesetting.

We also have a state-of-the-art studio fully equipped to handle the recording and audio editing of all L. Ron Hubbard lectures in foreign languages.

I believe this to be a subtle attempt by Scientology to recruit people to its cause.

Please look into this| attempt at undue influence

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/therapy-groups/scientology

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/10/19/narconon-a-scientology-front-organisation-tries-to-pull-a-fast-one-on-irish-language-translators/

ps://hubpages.com/politics/Lost-in-translation-You-will-be-if-you-take-up-a-Scientology-job-offer

Read the excellent article by John Duignan which gives us an insight into what they are trying to achieve.

Lost in Translation? You Will Be If You Take up a Scientology Job Offer.

Updated on April 15, 2017

Contact Author

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I am aware that English to Irish translation gigs can be hard to come by. It is tough enough getting steady work in modern European languages, so the prospect of paid employment in your chosen field will be enticing to say the least. But be well warned; working in any capacity for Scientology under even its most innocuous sounding front groups, is a minefield from which few come out unscathed. ‘That way lies madness’ as the saying goes.

Because what I write below may seem a little bit harsh, I had better prefix the article with a statement of my credentials. I was recruited into Scientology in 1986 and rapidly moved into its inner and most militant core, The Sea Organisation – a quasi military, fanatical brotherhood that owns and jealously protects all properties, both intellectual and substantial, that fall under the International Scientology Corporate remit.

I escaped – in the literal sense – in 2006. It was a twenty year long nightmare, and to this day I still suffer nightmares and wake up in a cold sweat, having dreamt that I was once more trapped within that hellish regime.

While working in many executive and administrative roles within the organisation, I became involved in various projects to oversee and manage translation work including an English to Hindi project and an English to Hungarian project. Thus, to misquote Gandalf; I know whereof I speak.’

You see it on the likes of Twitter and Facebook all the time, emotional appeals to one’s better nature. A click of the mouse to indicate support of an ostensibly decent cause and then the horror of realizing that you have ‘liked’ a pro-NAZI hate group, or lent your support to some unhinged anti-science cult.

The Scientology Irish Translation Project is simply a more sophisticated version of the above. It is a net thrown out broadly to catch unsuspecting lovers of Irish language and culture. A fishing lure cast into humanity’s stream to bag a prize specimen. Those that speak, write and translate Irish are a rare species. They are a cut above, by virtue of the necessary brain power and linguistic dexterity required to translate, not merely words, but history, values and culture, from one set to another.

Scientology has achieved a singularity in Western culture, becoming a byword for all that is crazy, all that is despicable in our modern world. Thanks, in particular to the likes of the ‘Google Search engine and internet troublemakers like Anonymous, it has thus done its best to disguise its recruitment efforts. Luring the unsuspecting with innocuous ‘entry level’ courses and front groups such as NARCANON, WISE, The Way To Happiness Foundation and indeed, YHRI or Youth for Human Rights International. But once you have become enmeshed you will find that you are involved in a cult that has Science Fiction as its core theology and practices that are rooted in the methods of the occultist, Alex Crowley. You will find an anti-intellectual, white supremacist, homophobic scripture that makes Ayn Rand’s writings look like a children’s ‘Lady Bird’ picture book. And if you dare become an apostate it will use its vast wealth and its paid-for politicians and police officers to crush you.

Opposition is met with endless litigation that leaves the unsuspecting bankrupt, exhausted and broken. While high profile Scientology evangelists such as Tom Cruise, dazzle us at movie premiers and lend their glitz to unsuspecting politicians desperate for media attention, behind the scenes well intentioned, garden variety folks are being bled dry. Children are being denied their rights of freedom of body, thought and expression, elderly are being abused in unconscionable ways.

Of course you could not possibly know what really goes on unless you have either lived deep within the bowels of this organisation or challenged them in court. The fanatics that operate its public relations and it external security arms do everything in their power to project an acceptable image. Judging by the ‘South Park’ Trapped in The Closet’ episode and the ensuing hilarity it garnered across the ethersphere, they really need to rethink their approach.

Just imagine the shocked silence at the gathering of friends and family, you, a thoughtful, hardworking translator, with years of sweating through your BA, MA and PHD degrees, stumbling through an explanation as to who you are working for these days. “I um, am translating for Scientology, yes, that’s right, the Tom Cruise cult, the one featured on South Park… “ Ouch.

Now to the nitty gritty. Supposing you do take up the offer and embark on a project to translate the quirky language of a not altogether sane and balanced narcissistic megalomaniac who was more often than not out of his head on a smorgasbord of illicit drugs when lecturing to his worshipful devotees back in the 1950s and 1960s. Let me first put you in the mindset of the founder of Scientology, Hubbard, the Guru, the All Knowing Leader.

In 1958 he opened the first Irish Scientology centre on 69 Merrion Square, calling it ‘The Atomic Energy Healing Division Emergency Station’. That went down well. It was closed within twenty four months.

He was convinced that humans are infested with alien beings and that a Scientologist must be cleansed of this infestation through an endless process of guided introspective audits that one can expect to be engaged in for at least four hours every day for a minimum of twenty years.

The above process will cost a minimum of twelve hundred Euros for each twelve hour block. You will have spent in excess of five hundred thousand by the time you reach the end of this process.

Scientology runs a standard ‘past life security check’ that is regularly carried out on children as young as ten years old as well as adults. It contains such questions as: ‘Have you ever had anything to do with a brothel?’ Have you ever slept with a member of a race of another colour? Have you ever raped anybody? Have you ever had anything to do with communism or are you a communist? And this little zinger ‘Have you ever had anything to do with a baby farm?

Try to translate that into Irish.

Translating Scientology materials will be a very different process to say, translating PD James or even Jack kerouac. You will need to learn a bewildering array of acronyms, for example BTs – that is Body Thetans – as well as a swath of terms Hubbard invented for his esoteric ‘philosophical system’. These include: Isness, havingness, Hubbard’s very own definition of Affinity, Thetan. And you will have to become intimate with at least twenty charts including ‘The Hubbard Chart of Human Evaluation’ – From an alien perspective – joke – The Hubbard Gradation Chart of Awareness, The 0 to Havingness Scale. I could go on.

In order to fully comprehend these and the many other facets of Scientology you will be required to take Scientology courses and indeed engage in Scientology audits. You will be pushed to sign up for paid courses and believe me, any hard won financial gain you hoped to achieve through your efforts will be swallowed up, or better yet, dissipate, just as the mirage-like Turloughs of the Burren district in County Clare do.

Scientology runs a uniquely frustrating financial and administrative system. The international corporate organisation is worth somewhere in the multi billion mark, but that treasure is stored in offshore accounts, the Netherland Antilles being a prime location for its banking needs. But you will not be working for the international operation. You will be working for either its European book publish arm, New Era Publications, its US subsidiary, Bridge Publications or its audio visual branch, Golden Era Productions. These work a Thursday to Thursday financial and administrative week. All books must be closed out by Thursday at 2pm. All the weekly income is then calculated and a mandatory 70% of that is filtered off through a bewildering system bank accounts, dummy corporations and tax feints to the Caribbean banks.

Any and all of the Scientology companies you work for have to fund their entire operations from the remaining 30% of that weekly income. The income is made from persuading people to buy Scientology courses and procedures, it is not exactly Starbucks, so you can be fairly certain that the weekly operating capital will be very tight indeed. New Era Publications operates a large printing administrative and distribution center in the city of Copenhagen, that is an expensive place to do business. After vital costs such as utilities, rates, essential services and administration has been allocated, little old you, the busy translator, will be sitting down at the lower end of a list of necessities and creditors. In short, you can expect to have to fight for your pay.

I cannot tell you how many unwitting contractors and creditors I have seen walk away in tears of frustration after months of trying to get payment from Scientology organisations.

So be warned, humble translator, stay away from Scientology. As I said earlier, That way lies madness.

Irish version of John’s article

http://tuairisc.ie/folaireamh-tugtha-ag-iarbhall-den-church-of-scientology-daistritheoiri-gaeilge/

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/10/19/narconon-a-scientology-front-organisation-tries-to-pull-a-fast-one-on-irish-language-translators/

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/why-is-the-church-of-scientology-hounding-irish-language-speakers

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/church-of-scientology-attempting-to-recruit-in-the-irish-gaeltacht

http://donegalnews.com/2017/03/church-scientology-looks-donegal-translators/

Interim statement on our mediation between the Irish Assemblies of God, ( I A O G)*

http://www.iaog.org/

and Tiglin* Rehabilitation centre, representing the residents of Carrig Eden House, Greystones, Co Wicklow.

Dialogue Ireland issues the following interim statement in relation to a proposed Christian mediation between the Irish Assemblies of God, ( I A O G)* and Tiglin Rehabilitation centre, with regard to the issues surrounding the relationship between them from a Christian standpoint.

It is being reported that Dialogue Ireland requested such mediation, but in fact our Director, Mike Garde was approached on a number of occasions by Aubrey McCarthy Chairman of Tiglin who had requested them to approach the IAOG to ascertain their willingness to enter such mediation.

At all stages Dialogue Ireland made it clear to both parties that the framework for the mediation would not include any reopening of the transaction of the sale of Carrig Eden to Wicklow County Council or any other party. Rather the mediation would seek to bring both parties to an understanding of each others positions, and address any failure by the parties to conduct themselves in a manner reflective of a Christian or Faith based ethos.

Both parties entered the process and agreed to a detailed memorandum of events as outlined by us as to the history behind this matter.

Having begun the process, Tiglin have indicated to us that at this time, they must withdraw and concentrate on the re-housing of the residents to whom, they feel as former users of their service, they have a duty of care.

Dialogue Ireland have in the initial stages gained a clearer understanding of the matter and remain willing to facilitate any future discussions. In the meantime it would ask all parties to ensure that where they can bring any influence on their supporters or the media that as far as possible, they seek to ensure that details are accurate and true.

Dialogue Ireland will keep watching brief on this unfolding story, and hope to bring out a report at a future date.

*

http://www.iaog.org/

http://tiglin.ie/home/residential-centres/tiglin/http://www.ecrdtf.ie/projects/tiglin-residential-treatment-centre.103.html

• June 08, 2017

By Echo Reporter

Work has begun at the Victory Centre site in Firhouse this week, with much speculation as to what the future holds for the former Christian Church and community centre.

Hoarding was erected on Wednesday, and maintenance work also began at the site this week.

Several containers have been moved onto the grounds, while a mobile office is also now situated within the compound.

When contacted by Echo.ie, the construction company managing the site refused to confirm who they were working for.

However, a source has today told Echo.ie that the building is to be the new European Headquarters for a Christian church.

Echo.ie has been inundated with requests for information about the site from the public and we made enquiries today with several different organisations about the future of the former Christian Church.

It is our hope to have more news on the development of the site in next week’s edition of the Echo.

I have had a lot of contact with Craig Fulton over the past month and met him with another member of the group John Delaney on Monday. We had a very fruitful conversation. We have agreed to continue discussion on a number of crucial areas. This will remain confidential until we reach agreement or if not then I will share my own observations as will no longer be bound by confidentiality.
In the meantime I am going to participate in the full Convention of the Van Der Hums*
Growing up in South Africa I remember a liqueur called Van der Hum.
http://englishdictionary.education/en/van-der-hum
ETYMOLOGY OF THE WORD VAN DER HUM
Of uncertain origin, but possibly derived from the humorous uncertainty of the name, equivalent of “whatshisname.”

Surely if we are going to hold a totally reductionist view of names, we should not call Craig by that name or use Fulton. You are the Van der Hums- the “What are their names.” If God called on Adam to name the animals it suggests that classification and categorisation are deeply embedded in our nature.
However reading over my post after meeting Craig and Richard nearly two years ago I gave them ample opportunity to reply to me. From the day I met them to this I have received no response. Why? Because the Van der Hums hate the idea of having to give a reason for the hope that is within them. They hate to deal with definition or just plain giving an answer to a simple question.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/18/di-director-meets-with-two-workers-of-the-home-fellowship-of-christians/

I realised after my last meeting on Monday the same was going to happen again and asked Craig – (should I use his name?) to give me written replies to some of the issues I was addressing.
However, how can I make observations about the Van der Hums unless I go to one of their “””Conventions””” and participate as a participant observer?

Did you note I used a term which they use and it is not in the bible, so why do they use it? I found this link which has a devastating critique of the use of this non biblical idea.

http://2x2ministry.org/conventions/index.php

He writes, as follows: How Did Conventions Start?

“Being raised in a professing home, I knew that the workers preached against against church buildings and church property. And supposedly Sunday morning meetings were a continuation of passover (or so I was told). And Bible studies were held in homes. And “gospel meetings” were supposed to be like Paul preaching in synagogue on Sabbath? So then the unanswered, nagging question I had as a kid and as a big kid was, “Where are conventions in the Bible?” If we are following the Bible, then where are conventions in the Bible?”

He hits the jackpot with this conclusion,

“When Conventions Made Sense

When I learned that William Irvine was a worker in the Faith Mission and that the Faith Mission had conventions, then all the questions about conventions finally made sense. We weren’t having conventions because they were in the Bible, we were having conventions because William Irvine got the idea of conventions from the Faith Mission for which he used to preach.”

This then brings me to the issue of organisation and what you do in these areas?
Child Protection.
Who is providing the training and is independent of the Workers who are if I understand it correctly are living with families with young children. Who is part of your committee and have you got the systems in place?
https://www.dcya.gov.ie/documents/Publications/ChildrenFirst.pdf

Charitable Registration
Incorporation
Taxation
Bequests
Capital Acquisitions Tax
Capital Gains.

I felt that there was a head in the sand attitude to these issues and at all costs no structure was to be put on anything. This is not a biblical concept but rather an anarchic one. I am waiting for responses from Craig and John Delaney on these issues. After a comment that this was not anarchy I found this helpful article on the subject.
I alluded to this after my first visit with Craig:

I mentioned that there used to be a Church in Abbey Street, Dublin 1 called 12C. Why? Because the Christians there just wanted to be known as Christians. However, people did not find that adequate so they called them 12C! They seemed to have no sense of their origins other than what had been passed down to them by oral means by former workers.” Irvine Grey in a sub title to his book called them a shapeless movement. I think they clearly have a shape of home meeting with from say 12- 20 people which are made up of the workers and the local members. Then there are public meetings like the ones advertised below. So rather than calling it shapeless I would say it has very clear sense of identity but it is anarchic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

Below is someone who is clearly a supporter and read this:

http://www.thetwobytwos.com/About_Us.html

The Church with No Name

“This is not entirely true, we do have a number of names as you can obviously see. What we don’t have is an incorporated name. Most Churches in the USA incorporate and take on an “official” documented name for legal reasons. But really there is no real structure to the Church, there are no buildings, no required donations, no vehicles, no salaries etc…etc..none of the general trappings of an incorporated Church. We are really an unincorporated Church, and it works.”
There was a time where one worker did try to incorporate the church, but it came to nothing, lesson learned.”

Let us unpack this further.

What we don’t have is an incorporated name.

Note his emphasis on a name. The issue here in Ireland is not what name you have but whether you are registered as a charity. You are actually acting under false pretences. You are pretending to just be a unconnected group of individuals whereas you have all the marks of common purpose. So I would not be surprised if you are reported and may receive a visit from Revenue at a Convention or one of your Sunday locations.

Note he continues and says there is no structure but concedes you are a church. He furthermore suggests you have no buildings when we all know as the earlier article on Conventions shows you do have these things and are in fact disguising the fact.
You are definitely, different from other bodies, but is it because you are not recognising Caesar?

“But really there is no real structure to the Church, there are no buildings, no required donations, no vehicles, no salaries etc…etc..none of the general trappings of an incorporated Church.”

He is clear where he stands,
“There was a time where one worker did try to incorporate the church, but it came to nothing, lesson learned.”

“We are really an unincorporated ***Church***, and it works.”

The charity I am Director of is also an unincorporated body, it is called a Trust.
It works and I am registered and submit accounts annually.

The Van der Hums are unincorporated and it is not working as I suggest with the long list above. I am looking forward to getting replies to my concerns and in the meantime I am going to get a Pastor who is an accountant on my board to look through what I have written here and see if it needs revision. See you all in Laois this Saturday.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_by_Twos