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Visit to Maynooth by Director of Dialogue Ireland to deliver Immaculate Deception to Bishops.

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Mike Garde spent over 6 hours in Maynooth to discuss a number of issues with a DI board member, and also visited his Alma Mater after an absence of nearly 6 years. He was also able to speak quite openly with Bishop William Crean from Cloyne about the issues related to the HofP.

Bishop Crean had invited him to a public meeting in Killarney over 20 years ago to discuss the cult issue. He understood the issues facing families and was hopeful a resolution could be found.

Looking towards St Mary's

I was able to hand over a copy of the book for every bishop, that is for those that did not already have it.

Delivering Immaculate DeceptionSt Joseph's Square

I then walked around the grounds and came to the College Cemetery and noted a few of the famous people.

Cemetery

One of course was the famous scientist Nicholas Callan.

Callan graveN Callan Scientist

An interesting person was called the DOM, Michael Casey who was head of Chemistry when I was a student. He used to start his lectures with a slide of Our Lady. He then promoted a Marian Pilgrimage to Knock. I was on that train that stopped in Maynooth in October of 1973 and as it was the only one that stopped in Maynooth till the trains were reinstated. It was quite an experience.

The Dom

Another person who had a profound influence on me was Patrick Corish who was a Church historian.

Patrick Corish grave

When I was a student at Maynooth I was the first non Catholic to sit for the BD. I was given credit for my Baptist College Diploma and my Diploma in Theology from London University. I formed the view that the proliferation of mission houses like the SVD, SMA and Salesian hostels was not a good idea. I would have build a National Seminary with the Religious Orders together on the new campus. Also I thought the practice of allowing students to be funded by dioceses to do their primary degree a bad one. I felt they should have had to struggle to support themselves in coming to Maynooth and live out in the community. I lived in a house in the Rail Park estate with a number of ex clerics and it was often a moral nightmare when these guys jumped ship. I would have turned the massive St Mary’s block into student accommodation. I met a woman from Mayo who told me that a number of rooms in that block are open now to non clerics. The result is that the Seminary is very much a kind of monastic site with enclosures and is off limits. You have the sense it is not Newman’s idea of an University but a retreat from engagement academically and a kind withdrawal from the battle of ideas. There are just too few to justify the space taken up.

Steeple from New Library

It is as if the battle is lost, and now there is desire to save a remnant

Seminary entrance.Seminary enclosure

This is the view out from inside the enclosure.

College Chapel

I then proceeded to look at all the pictures of the Classes from 1970 to 2015 and also for paintings of the various bishops. I saw none of Cardinal Cullen and thinking about it it is likely because his major project was building Holy Cross Seminary, Clonliffe.

I did not feature in the year I graduated 1976 as I was not ordained. I did find that two of the persons next to each other both became bishops. Namely William Crean and Noel Traynor.

Class of 76

My only connection to the issues concerning the House of Prayer related to the fact that while I was in Maynooth Gerard McGinnity was the junior Dean.

I have related my experiences elsewhere so will not again.

I reminded him that at Christmas one year I was asked to be Santa for the Student Christmas Party. I brought some of the women students up to the dorm and he came out and said if we did not get moving he would call the Gardai. I said to him I had a lovely tricycle for him for his Christmas present but because he was so naughty would give it to a deserving child.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/18/visit-of-di-trustees-and-members-of-house-of-prayer-support-group-to-knockbridge-parish-church-on-sunday-august-16-2015/

Already by 1979 the rising star in the Seminary was Mícháel Ledwith who was Professor of Dogmatics.

ML 1979

It is interesting that by 1985 Gerard McGinnity was the Dean and the picture for that year has him in a large central position and the President at the side now Mícháel Ledwith.

M 1985GM Dean 1985

The question now is will the bishops meeting in Ireland be able to address this issue? It is one that needs closure both for the victims of the Church of Prayer, for the Catholic Church in Ireland and even as this photo suggests for Fr McGinnity to be relieved of living in denial and away from the truth. Look at how energetic he looks filled with hope and if he had been able to use his brilliant mind what a different position he would be in?

Pic Fr McGinnity

If he is to be the priest he wished to be he has to make a decisive break with the one who has brought him under her malign influence. Who? Christina Gallagher.

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Filed under: Education, House of Prayer

House of Prayer: Christina has gift of bilocation? Denies she is in the USA

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You will find the following announcement on the Christina Gallagher’s site.

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http://www.christinagallagher.org/en/

Following the article in the Sunday World by Jim Gallagher

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/27/bishops-conference-set-to-discuss-christina-gallaghers-prayer-empire-at-last-by-jim-gallagher-sunday-world/

and ours published last week,

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/23/gerard-mcginnity-christina-gallagher-on-us-junket/

Then suddenly when the Sunday World published on Sunday the HofP came back with their usual response about the sick visionary.. We will reply in full to that as it claims I wrote the article.

You will note that nowhere did it state the the visit had been cancelled due to ill health. Perhaps they do not read their own web site?

The Very Rev Dr Gerard McGinnity
& Christina Gallagher
have accepted an invitation
from the Houses of Prayer in the US
to make a return visit in 2015

Details of their visit are as follows:

Minnesota House of Prayer – September 19 & 20, 2015
Mexico House of Prayer – 29th September, 2015
Texas House of Prayer – October 3 & 4, 2015
Kansas House of Prayer – October 10 & 11, 2015

They will be available for prayers and spiritual talks.


Filed under: House of Prayer

The unattributed response to the Sunday World article, to the misattributed Mike Garde instead of Jim Gallager

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christina gallagher, our lady queen of peace,house of prayer achill

We publish full article and web site and reply below it. It was possibly written by  their Director Pat Coleman.

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Caught Again in their Own Lies!

Today’s outrageous attack by Mike Garde in the Sunday World announcing that Christina Gallagher is sunning herself in the United States and enjoying herself at the expense of other people shows how the same so-called “authority” is entirely disinterested in facts or truth.This is complete and utter slander. First of all Christina Gallagher is not in the United States she is in her home in Ireland because of ill-health – brought upon her by the likes of Mike Garde cruelly hounding her and publishing deceptive material which has no basis in reality. Christina only goes to the United States if invited to do so by the people there and when she does travel there it is not for sunning herself or enjoying herself but to carry out the work given her to do. Not only has her health been irreparably damaged but her very life has been put in danger by the persecution Mike Garde and the likes of him recklessly pursue in an unexplained frenzied obsession that in its most recent ugly phase has continued non-stop for the past 8 years. Of course the public have long observed the obsessive repetition of the same boring lies in both the Sunday World and on TV3 concerning the mission of Our Lady Queen of Peace House of Prayer, but in more recent times as in today’s article they are becoming even more nauseated at being treated like utter fools. Today’s deceptive article which is entirely misleading and slanderous fits the pattern of deception and lies which has come to be seen as Mr Garde’s hallmark. Clearly he is incapable of checking the simplest of facts but prefers to treat readers as gullible fools. Over the years he has shown himself incapable of checking and reporting the fact of over 700 healing and conversion testimonies at the House of Prayer. Just as he clearly lacks an appreciation of the Catholic faith, its teaching and practices. Today’s gaffe is in perfect consistency with his customary deception and slander of Mrs Gallagher.

Our Reply:

Today’s outrageous attack by Mike Garde in the Sunday World announcing that Christina Gallagher is sunning herself in the United States and enjoying herself at the expense of other people shows how the same so-called “authority” is entirely disinterested in facts or truth.

It is quite clear that the author of this press release is confused. They either did not read the article or have been misinformed. I wrote no article in the Sunday World. It was written by Jim Gallagher.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/27/bishops-conference-set-to-discuss-christina-gallaghers-prayer-empire-at-last-by-jim-gallagher-sunday-world/

I am quoted in the SW but to attribute to me an article is a very flimsy basis for outrage? By the way we were reliably informed from former members that Christina was a glutton for shopping on these trips.One can see how she would like to portray herself as an innocent abroad or now is it an innocent at home.

This is complete and utter slander.

Just to be completely clear this is not slander but if not true is defamation. Normally if this occurs the person so defamed has the right to seek redress from the newspaper but in this case it is a little problematic as we found this information on your web site?

First of all Christina Gallagher is not in the United States she is in her home in Ireland because of ill-health – brought upon her by the likes of Mike Garde cruelly hounding her and publishing deceptive material which has no basis in reality.

First of all Christina from the Lady Macbeth syndrome where when she is exposed she blames the people who find her out and hides behind the defence she is sick. she is indeed very sick because she has managed to enrich herself and live a life of luxury and get away with it for years.

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By the way this house has not been able to be sold. The logic that suggests that each time a new house is found is due to her need to find rest is a major joke.

Christina only goes to the United States if invited to do so by the people there and when she does travel there it is not for sunning herself or enjoying herself but to carry out the work given her to do.

Yes she is invited by whom. It is like the THE PEOPLE we used to get in response to who was buying the houses. Time to give up the sham. I can make no comment about her sunning herself, you will need to bring that up with Jim Gallagher the author of the article.

Not only has her health been irreparably damaged but her very life has been put in danger by the persecution Mike Garde and the likes of him recklessly pursue in an unexplained frenzied obsession that in its most recent ugly phase has continued non-stop for the past 8 years.

Likely the real cause of her turmoil is the fact she can’t reconcile her Catholic faith and her actions. It is a guilt complex which you are trying to project onto Jim Gallagher and Mike Garde.

Certainly it is not persecution but the desire the aprox. 20,000 people affected get their family member back, and any cash misdirected to private use under the undue influence and misuse of  Mary the mother of God. Certainly, it is not an unexplained frenzied obsession, but rather trying to have the appropriate authorities act in regard to this madness. First and foremost the Archdiocese of Tuam and also the Archdiocese of Armagh.

Of course the public have long observed the obsessive repetition of the same boring lies in both the Sunday World and on TV3 concerning the mission of Our Lady Queen of Peace House of Prayer, but in more recent times as in today’s article they are becoming even more nauseated at being treated like utter fools.

You clearly have no idea of the public view. In fact they can’t understand why the Church has not acted to end this misery earlier. I should remind you the documentary on TV3 is now exactly 4 years old?

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/tv3-irelands-secret-cults/

I would rather suggest that they are nauseated because nothing seems to change and this scam continues.

Today’s deceptive article which is entirely misleading and slanderous fits the pattern of deception and lies which has come to be seen as Mr Garde’s hallmark.

Do you not notice you you repeat generalised outpourings and you seem to have not noticed the glaring fact that Mike Garde did not write any article in the Sunday World?

Clearly he is incapable of checking the simplest of facts but prefers to treat readers as gullible fools.

Like I suppose that the visit was taken from your web site which was accessed a few minutes ago?

http://www.christinagallagher.org/en/

Over the years he has shown himself incapable of checking and reporting the fact of over 700 healing and conversion testimonies at the House of Prayer.

Jim Gallagher who you should be writing to is not given to studying your healing ratio, as all he does is follow the money trail. However, as you asking me I answer simply. Even if Christina had 1000 healings, could walk on water and do cartwheels around the Texas House of Prayer it is of no consequence.

As the book by Kevin Symonds has shown if she does not submit to her bishop that is an immediate reason to confirm she is a fake. Also if she has shown any evidence of enriching herself or acting immorally those are immediate grounds to stop the show.

Just as he clearly lacks an appreciation of the Catholic faith, its teaching and practices.

My Catholic faith is of no relevance but as the book by Kevin Symonds shows I have been well briefed.

Today’s gaffe is in perfect consistency with his customary deception and slander of Mrs Gallagher.

Your gaffe in attributing the article to me and not Jim Gallagher and your lack of understanding of the Catholic Faith is terminal. Also earlier this month we challenged Fr McGinnty to a public debate sponsored by a newspaper like the Irish Catholic, or a society in a university is still on the table. If he is in fact not away now could the  HofP accept the challenge at their earliest convenience?


Filed under: House of Prayer

The reason for Christina Gallagher’s not going to the States is quite serious. She had an operation on her throat .

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It has come to our attention that someone who I know and is affected by the HofP phoned the Texas HofP and was informed that Christina Gallagher was not in the United States but has in fact had major surgery for a very serious throat ailment in the last two to three weeks. This shows that the reason the HofP claims she could not go is completely without foundation, namely because of the pressure she had come under about the sources of her wealth. My source who was at one time very close to Christina made this point,

“This is very bad news as she has a history of been a very heavy cigarette smoker…”

Also having reflected on why the HofP spokesperson claimed I was the author of the Sunday World article was because if they attacked Jim Gallagher and the bishops were reading the book, “The Immaculate Deception,” they would have egg on their faces. We can also confirm that Fr McGinnity is over in the States giving succour to the HofP which has no church approval anywhere.

My source also made the point that Christina has a habit of using the sick card a lot, whereas in this case it looks like Christina is genuinely sick. We wish her a speedy recovery.

“For years she has used this excuse when she was feeling lazy and could not be bothered meeting the pilgrims. I do not know how many times over the years Fr        McGinnity told us that Christina was suffering the stigmata and was unable to attend the services in the HofP. I have it from the horses mouth from a lady who was an eye witness to this stigmata being self inflicted. She should know as she worked within the inner sanctum and knew everything about CG. She reported that Christina would more often than not be upstairs in her plush bedroom sipping a Baileys and either watching the activities on her CCTV cameras downstairs or watching her favourite soap.”

“I remember distinctly back in 1999 when she made the big announcement about closing the HofP and of course blaming Archbishop Neary for it. It was announced that Christina had had a major heart attack and was at death’s door and that it was the stress of the, “Enforced,” closure that had brought this about. At the time my wife and I were very concerned and I spoke to Christina’s daughter Mary to ask which hospital she was residing in as we would like to send her a bouquet of flowers and a get well card etc. I remember distinctly how she blushed and her face turned red. She would not give us the name of hospital as according to her her mother needed her privacy.”

“In reality as we all know now Christina was off on her holidays on the south coast of England where she had an illicit affair with a sleazy guy called Chawkie. This has all been confirmed to me by an eyewitness who accompanied CG on this trip and was so shocked by her experience that she went to Fr.McGinnity who she adored and told him her story. To her utter amazement he turned a blind eye and just said Christina is Christina. With that she left and never darkened the door of the HofP ever again.”

All of these stories are found in the book by Jim Gallagher, “The Immaculate Deception,” and have been in the public domain for over 6 years.
My source wrote further,

“No problem Mike. Fire away I am very comfortable that I can stand over my sources of Information and it is about time this dreadful woman is brought to heel. I have no fear of legal action because if I was to reveal all she would know she had not a leg to stand on.”


Filed under: House of Prayer

Monsignor Gearóid Dullea Executive Secretary Irish Episcopal Conference confirms that the House of Prayer was on the agenda at the Bishops meeting.

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Immaculate deception

Monsignor Gearóid Dullea,  Executive Secretary Irish Episcopal Conference confirmed in a telephone call today that the bishops had in fact discussed the issue of the House of Prayer.
gearoidInitially reading the text of the communique it looked like the issue was not addressed, but  Gearóid pointed out that the document did not contain all the issues addressed.

http://www.catholicbishops.ie/2015/09/30/statement-of-the-autumn-2015-general-meeting-of-the-irish-catholic-bishops-conference/

He stated he hoped to have the conclusions with me within about 3 weeks.

maynoothThis means that the Director of Dialogue Ireland should be able to see the conclusions reached before he meets with Archbishop Eamon Martin in Dundalk in early November.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/18/archbishop-eamon-martin-agrees-to-meet-mike-garde-the-director-of-dialogue-ireland-about-the-house-of-prayer/

Likely this would also involve the opportunity to discuss this issue with the relevant authorities in Rome while at the synod.

http://www.catholicbishops.ie/2015/09/29/archbishops-eamon-martin-diarmuid-martin-attend-synod-bishops-rome/


Filed under: House of Prayer

Victory Outreach, Concerns raised over rehab facility in Rathdrum by William O’Toole, Wicklow News

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Concerns raised over rehab facility in Rathdrum

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Concerns raised over rehab facility in Rathdrum

 

Residents in Rathdrum have voiced their concerns today after it emerged that a evangelical addiction facility has opened in the town.

It is understood that Victory Outreach, a worldwide organisation that offers rehabilitation for addicts through prayer, has opened the centre at the Old Presbytery beside the Fair Green in the town.

The organisations Irish operations were questioned in 2013 after former addicts who attended their Cork centre raised questions about the care they received at the centre, which was unregulated.

An RTE Investigates programme, which aired in 2013, focused on the Cork centre and a centre in Kildare, both of which operated under the Victory Outreach umbrella.

It was claimed at the time that addicts who signed up for the program, which can last up to 12 months in some cases, had to hand over most of their social welfare payment to avail of a place on the Victory Outreach residential program.

Some Residents also had to spend up to 18 hours a day selling raffle tickets in order to meet fundraising quotas it was claimed in the RTE Investigates report.

It was also claimed that the organisation had no official treatment model for residents and most of the treatment came in the form of prayer and spiritual healing.

Concerns

Speaking to wicklownews.net this afternoon, a local resident who wished to remain anonymous said : “I have no problem with people getting rehab to sort their problems,”

“However, I would be concerned if the person was receiving the treatment in an unregulated manner, I think that at the very least, the community has a right to know what is going on.”

Residents have also raised concerns about the location of the facility, given that it is located in close proximity to two schools and a creche.

When contacted yesterday, the person who answered the phone at the Rathdrum centre declined to comment.


Filed under: Victory Outreach

The refusal of Victory Outreach to take responsibility for Freedom Ministries leads to confusion.

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Last December Dialogue Ireland entered into discussions with Victory Outreach in regard to the failures of governance in regard to their agent Andy Valdez who went rogue and refused to address the serious charges leveled against him. These were clearly outlined in an RTE Prime Time documentary which can be found with a number of other articles on our blog.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/christian/victory-outreach/

We tried over a number of months to engage with the representative of VO Paul Lloyd who has responsibility for Ireland but who was based in Manchester in regard to these issues.

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It became clear that they view themselves as unique and that they do not cooperate with others doing similar work. They nearly give off the idea that they are the only Christians in the way they go about their activities. They have the view that they are God’s anointed and proceeded to act alone and in ways totally similar to what was going on before.

Some leaders who were involved in VO and who were compromised by their involvement with Valdez jumped ship but were still obviously involved in the same style of ministry.

Freedom Ministries began to operate all around the country and people did not know which group was ok or which one was involved with deceitful practices. Because the revived VO did its own thing we had no influence and our report was ignored.

Also we clearly suggested that working from a base in the north inner city moving to Rathdrum was not a good idea. Why? Because there already was a work in the area and people would get confused as to who was who. In fact Tiglin tries to operate within ways which make use of medical and psychological services. Furthermore they have a strict regime to allow the addicts to make a break from their former lives. They do not go near those places associated with their addictions.

We advised VO in the strongest terms that going to Rathdrum was not helpful and would add to the level of confusion. Reality might now be forcing them to follow our advice.

DI began to get calls from the public thinking we were VO because we have the most prominent information about them on our blog. It became clear that VO is currently very attractive to vulnerable addicts as they have no demands or structures in place. So desperate parents think sending them to VO is better than them being in the gutter. However, their totally one sided methodology means in the Irish culture the person is overwhelmed and the boundaries are not very clear. They may not be bringing people into pubs or fundraising under false pretenses or getting the addicts to hand over their social welfare, but we believe this bull in the china shop approach will end in tears. A few months ago a social worker asked me for a telephone number  for the Rathdrum House as they had a person who was very sick and needed to go into hospital and needed to get his stuff. She could find no contact details anywhere.

VO is not an organisation with an accountable head, but rather there are no real ways to  challenge the centre. So we found Paul unable to address any concerns in reality.

We noted the Wicklow News report about concerns about the facility being close to schools but believe that VO is bound for Cabinteely. We have no evidence as yet, but only intelligence but we would suggest that the public send us reports which we will publish.

Evidence of inappropriate fundraising keep coming in, however, make sure it is not Freedom Ministries who specialise in Cup Cake sales. We are not sure how VO pays for its work if they are not doing what was done before?


Filed under: Victory Outreach

Gerry Byrne of Victory Christian Fellowship bought into the Terry Quinn philosophy and look where it got Victory

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Trying to get a handle on Terry Quinn we went through his Facebook page for 2012 just before the calamitous collapse of the Prosperity Pyramid in Firhouse, Co Dublin in the summer of 2013.
He was a guest of Victory Christian Church.

Here is the video of this event where Gerry Byrne is the chief cheerleader. The event is on his Facebook page.

8 December 2012
Speaking to the men of Victory Dublin this morning -The revolution is growing

Terry Quinn

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Just in case some of you missed this recent report here it is again.
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/24/gerry-byrne-in-the-wars-and-turns-to-marriage-for-comfort/

Why do people continue to follow a model of Christian discipleship that wounds them and leaves them struggling financially?

Here is the most extensive archive for you read further what results from following this model of Christianity.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/christian/victory-faith-movement-or-prosperity-gospel-archive-abundant-life/

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Pastors  Gerry Byrne, Sheila Hade and Brendan Hade

But not only was Gerry Byrne involved but also Brendan Hade.


Filed under: Prosperity, Victory (Faith Movement or Prosperity Gospel) Archive Abundant Life

Dialogue Ireland suggests debate with Terry Quinn on Wednesday 4th November on the subject of cultism.

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We published a series of reports on the activities of Hassan Boyle and then on the developments around a men’s movement and the promotion of a new variant of the Prosperity Gospel.
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/02/steve-hassan-has-left-a-trail-of-questions-in-dundalk-co-louth-ireland/
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/22/redefined-prosperity-philosophy-in-focus-with-pastor-sunday-adelaja-terry-quinn/
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/why-did-terry-quinn-move-to-dundalk/
As these were greeted with silence we have decided to challenge Terry or whoever else would like to take part in this event to a public debate.

Why November 4th? Because on that day Mike Garde, the Director of DI is meeting the Archbishop of Armagh, Eamon Martin in Dundalk to discuss the House of Prayer. Most would know the person who lends his support to this scam is the parish priest of Knockbridge, Fr Gerard McGinnity.
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/18/archbishop-eamon-martin-agrees-to-meet-mike-garde-the-director-of-dialogue-ireland-about-the-house-of-prayer/
Rather than private mails and back channels, let us debate these issues in public.
Johnny Cash

Yes let us follow the example of Johnny Cash and meet in the public arena?

Here is the latest from the 93Revolution Conferences.
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https://www.facebook.com/93revolution

Andy Nugent

93revolution added 2 new photos.

2 October at 00:08 ·

Great word tonight to the men of Dundalk by Andy Nugent – Speaking on ” Men of Consistency “


Filed under: Dundalk Churches, Prosperity, Victory (Faith Movement or Prosperity Gospel) Archive Abundant Life

Terenure College hosts Mike Garde of Dialogue Ireland to discuss cultism with students on October 9th and 16th.

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220px-Terenure_College,_DublinHere we will be addressing the vulnerability we all are subject to in our lives but mostly the issues around cultism. What do we mean by cultism? The phenomenon where people can have their heads turned and become subject to undue influence. Generally we do exercises to show how this vulnerability works. When preparing to come to Terenure College I began to see if I could find information about it.

http://www.terenurecollege.ie/      

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What is involved with a School Visit?

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/schools/

Previous visits:
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/dialogue-ireland-director-visits-terenure-college/
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2014/10/20/further-visit-by-dialogue-ireland-director-to-terenure-college/


Filed under: Education, Icross Charity

Debate with Terry Quinn: “Date Correction.” Proposed date is changed to Wednesday November 4th.

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This is what we wrote recently in regard to a debate with Terry Quinn.

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We published a series of reports on the activities of Hassan Boyle and then on the developments around a men’s movement and the promotion of a new variant of the Prosperity Gospel.
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/02/steve-hassan-has-left-a-trail-of-questions-in-dundalk-co-louth-ireland/
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/22/redefined-prosperity-philosophy-in-focus-with-pastor-sunday-adelaja-terry-quinn/
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/why-did-terry-quinn-move-to-dundalk/
As these were greeted with silence we have decided to challenge Terry or whoever else would like to take part in this event to a public debate.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/10/05/dialogue-ireland-suggests-debate-with-terry-quinn-on-friday-november-6th-november-on-the-subject-of-cultism/

Dialogue Ireland has not received a response from Terry Quinn and as he has no contact details for him will write to one of the churches associated with his men’s campaign and renew the challenge .

Naturally it does not need to be on November 4th but if that date is not convenient another date can be found. Terry can respond to this blog or to our email address:

info@dialogueireland.org or to any of the telephone numbers on the site.


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Grace Church Closes. Archive report from Dundalk Democrat.

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Christian church group vacate premises at Northlink Retail Park

A church, function rooms and coffee shop that was being run by a Christian chuch group operating in Dundalk has closed its doors over Christmas.

http://www.dundalkdemocrat.ie/news/local-news/christian-church-group-vacate-premises-at-northlink-retail-park-1-6519664

The Grace Fellowship Church, now known as the Grace Church Dundalk, left the premises just before Christmas Eve.

The group had been running a coffee shop, church and previously a school from the former retail unit.

The Grace Church began in 1987 as Grace Fellowship Family Church with lead pastor, Hassan Boyle, who – according to their slickly produced website – started the church from his living room in Bay Estate.

Speaking to the Dundalk Democrat , Kenneth Cumiskey, the landlord of the unit confirmed that they had left, but did not wish to comment further.

It is not clear if the group have any plans to set up elsewhere in Dundalk.

The ‘Coffee Room’ had been operating for a number of years from a former retail unit in the Northlink Retail Park, and was well known for selling unbranded Starbuck’s Coffee.

The operators of the business however announced on December 18 that the business would be closing.

Written on their Facebook page it said: “It is with much regret that we have to announce that sadly The Coffee Room will cease trading at close of business on Christmas Eve (5pm).

“The management and staff would like to thank you for your support and valued custom over the last 3 years.”

The coffee shop was being run by the Christian group, and was popular with both members of the congregation and members of the public.

The Grace Fellowship also ran a school, initially at the retail park and then at the old Keytronic school.

The church is a registered charity, and encourages its congregation to make financial donations in order for it to make an “environment” that can be enjoyed on a weekly basis.

Two years ago the premises and the part of the complex that was run by the group was described as a “fire trap”.

Dundalk Town Council had summonsed the landlords and the tenant Hassan Boyle, trading as Grace Fellowship Family Church, under planning enforcement and building control regulations, and the building was temporarily closed.

Improvements were made and the premises was reopened following a fire officer’s approval.

Other Christian church groups across Ireland have fallen on hard times, with a staggering €18 million judgement being awarded against the Victory Christian Fellowship in Dublin.

It is understood that such churches finance their operations, and parishioners lifestyles, through ‘tithes ‘ (donations) and through enterprises such as the coffee shops.

The Democrat attempted to contact the group by email, by phone and via social media, but did not receive a response before going to print.


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Emotional Carrey joins memorial for Cathriona by David Raleigh and John Harlow, Sunday Times, October 11, 2015

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The Cathriona White story has layers Scientology associated with it. We are only beginning to get a handle on it. Here the Sunday Times with the aid of Tony Ortega tries to take it forward.
Caithriona
Carrey helps carry the coffin of ex-girlfriend Cathriona White to Our Lady of Fatima Church, in White’s home village of
Cappawhite, Co Tipperary; right, White pictured out with the actor in New York earlier this year; inset, her Californian home

Read full PDF below here:

ST Story

THE family of Tipperary woman Cathriona White, whose body was found last
month in her California home shortly after she ended a relationship with actor Jim Carrey, praised her as “a small-town girl with big dreams” who was “not afraid to follow them.”
“She followed them all the way to LA, and you could not get any bigger than that,” her half-brother Tadhg White told mourners at the funeral in Cappawhite, south Tipperary yesterday.

Carrey arrived at the church at 11.15am, shortly before the service began, wearing sun
glasses. He later helped family members carry White’s coffin half a mile to the local cemetery. The actor wiped away tears as he hugged members of the deceased woman’s family at her graveside, before linking arms with them on the return
journey to Cappawhite village afterwards.

White, a 30-year old film-set make-up artist and a aspiring actress, was found I
dead in her home in Los Angeles on September 28 after taking her own life. A number of suicide notes were found in her house, one reportedly referring to her love for Carrey. There was no reference at yesterday’s service to her suspected involvement with the Church of Scientology. At a separate service in California on Friday night, a dozen friends gathered to mourn White in a new-age style at the Zorthian movie set ranch on the slopes of the Angeles National Forest. On the ranch gate there was a note addressed to “Cat” reading: “You are not separate from the whole. You are one with the sun, the earth, the air. You don’t have a life. You are
life. ” It is a quote from Eckhart Tolle, the Vancouver-based lifestyle guru promoted by Oprah Winfrey.

On Friday a friend who attended the “moral service” said White had been a kind and
sweet person, but “she kept a lot of secrets to herself”. He said: “Although she tried
everything to find that Californian peace of mind, she was stressed out a lot of time – she missed her family, her relationship with Jim [Carrey] was pretty rocky and she was pretty insecure in all ways.

“She was finding it tough to pay her way with her Scientology friends, who were not
our friends. They offered big answers, which she craved. She was always looking for something spiritual, but it all came at a cost – thousands of dollars.”

White’s friend, who declined to be named, said the deceased woman had withheld from Carrey how “deep she was into [Scientology] financially”.

Tony Ortega, an online critic of the Church of Scientology, claims the Irish woman was pushing herself through a mandatory purification process called Survival Rundown, which involves an intense regime of mental exercises, saunas and doses of the Vitamin Niacin. It supposedly carries members up the “Bridge to Total Freedom” although a former member, Chris Shelton, alleged it put people into semi- hypnotic trances which can be psychologically damaging.

Scientologists have hit back at reports linking their practices to White’s death. But one of White’s friends said: “It [the church] took her money, which she could not afford, and was not there when she needed it.”

White had married Mark Burton, a cameraman she met in Los Angeles, last year
without telling her family. She White was living in Los Angeles reportedly intended to divorce Burton, who was also involved in Scientology. It has been claimed White first developed an interest in Scientology after befriending Cyril Helnwein, a photographer and son of artist Gottfried Helnwein who hosted the marriage of
Marilyn Manson and Dita Von Teese in his Tipperary castle in 2005. Cyril Helnwein declined to comment this weekend.

At her funeral service in Cappawhite yesterday, Fr Tadhg Furlong, parish priest,
said: “Life today presents us with many challenges and new questions. It’s easy to ask the questions but difficult to find answers.” He said White’s death was a warning that “some of our young people are under pressure. “We are acutely aware of the
vulnerability, ” he added. White was laid to rest alongside her father Pat. It emerged
following her death that she did not attend his funeral in 2012 because she was living illegally in America at the time. An investigation is continuing into the circumstances
surrounding White’s death. The results of toxicology tests will
it not be known for several weeks.


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Narconon a Scientology front organisation tries to pull a fast one on Irish language translators

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Irish language translators concerned over Scientology links

The agency, Narconon or the Church of Scientology have not commented about the matter

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1016/735407-translator-scientology/

Friday 16 October 2015

Irish language translators have expressed concern after learning material presented to them to translate for a so-called charity was in fact connected to the Church of Scientology.

The material was for Narconon, a drug rehabilitation programme established by L Ron Hubbard, the founder of the Church of Scientology in the United States.

One translator told Nuacht RTÉ that she had been told be a translation service called ProZ.com that the work was intended for a charity organisation with limited funds and as a result the rate of reimbursement would be lower than the standard rate for such work.

However, when the work was further posted on Facebook, several translators who copied the material into search engines found that it was extracts from Narconon.

Some translators told RTÉ that there was a lack of clarity about the organisation for whom the translation was intended and they should have been told they were working for a large organisation with ample funds.

The agency, Narconon or the Church of Scientology have not commented about the matter.


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Bro Eoin, a monk form Co Kildare gives us an insight into how the National Schools became a sectarian Apartheid system

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Old Model School

1850-1870; a model of what might have been and a promise of what still could be. . 

  The Model School in Athy (destroyed by fire in 2010) where all children were taught together

Below find the article by Bro Eoin from Bolton Abbey, but first a little modern summary which arose from reading this extremely important  article.

*He makes no gesture towards reconciliation of the two ‘religions’ as they had been called since the Diet of Augsburg (1555).

It is noteworthy that to this day most people still use the term Religion when referring to either Catholicism, or the Church of Ireland, etc. Catholicism has viewed itself as the Religion founded by Christ and having the fullness of the revelation of Christianity.The Religion of Christianity is made up of many Confessions, Communions and Denominations. Many in Ireland confuse the part with the whole.

All other Christians are regarded as inferior to this perfection and only have elements of Catholicism due to the grace which emanates from the fullness of grace made available by Catholicism. Protestants hate the term Religion or religious which are used by politicians, the media etc. “He is very religious,” is a common expression. In reference to schools we have a National School system which is neither secular or religious. It is totally compatible with Atheism, Islam or Humanism or for that matter any religion as the religious dimension is kept out of the literary and general curriculum. Separate religious, moral or philosophical education is guaranteed. Currently, most people are not aware that this is the shape of our education system. That includes, the Government, the judiciary and the various groupings who have an interest in education.

Schools in Co. Kildare by Eoin de Bháldraithe
Monk of Bolton Abbey, Moone
The issue of schools and Catholic schools in particular, remains very much alive in Ireland today. Here I would like to recount some of the episodes in ‘the story so far’ with special attention to the many Kildare places that occur. In particular with reference to the Model School in Athy, local people tell me that memories are still alive of children being educated together therein the last century. There is also a clear memory of the Christian Brothers and Mercy Sisters being brought in to counteract the Model School. This is oral history or folk memory with all the limitations that involves.(1) Here I would like look at the many excellent studies that have been done on the matter and see if research would support the folk memories.
BISHOP HUSSEY AND EDMUND RICE
One of the best of the secondary sources is Faith and Fatherland by Barry Coldrey. It tells the history of ‘the Christian Brothers and the development of Irish Nationalism 1838-1921’.(2) They were founded by (Blessed) Edmund Ignatius Rice. It carries special authority as Coldrey is himself a Christian Brother. In his introduction quotes some writers including some of his own brethren as saying that they were mainly responsible for the rise of Irish nationalism and maybe even for the ‘imbrioglio’ in the North . His conclusions are remarkably concrete: a significant number of leaders in 1916 were past students of the Brothers; so also were many of the leaders of the War of Independence. This is his careful statement as a historian. For me it seems that its significance is that without the Brothers there would have been no 1916!
He begins with an account of the origin of the Brothers. Thomas Hussey, a former president of Maynooth College, was appointed bishop in Rice’s native city of Waterford in 1796.(4)  He wrote a pastoral letter to his clergy soon after his appointment. He warns his clergy not to send children to ‘places of education’ where their faith may be endangered. To be sure that people would comply, priests should refuse to give Holy Communion to the parents. Likewise any Catholic soldiers are to obey their spiritual masters and the military officers have no authority over their religion. The Catholic military should not go to Protestant places of worship. Some claim that all religions are equal: that is latitudinarian! The Catholic religion is for all places and climes. Other churches are more limited in their surroundings. The light of St Patrick spread to nine-tenths of Ireland and to 99 per cent of this diocese.
A reply to this message is preserved in the National library. There is no indication as to who the author might be.(5) This Christian prelate, it says, seeks to open the old wounds and disturb the unity and peace. He stirs up the bitter poison of religious discord. The diocese was exempt from this kind of discord. Dr Moylan, Bishop of Cork, embraced his Protestant brother. The pastoral addresses of Archbishop Troy of Dublin are also praised. They support the good and happiness of society.
The sentiments of Dr Hussey are very different and seek to divide Christians. It is a perilous attempt to widen the great breach in society. He conveys an ungenerous and impolite charge to his clergy. Surely he cannot be serious in urging this separation of the rich and poor. He should follow the harmonizing efforts of his better judging brethren. He is among the angry zealots, guilty of intolerant language, tyrannical and detestable doctrine. Must literature no longer be shared with other youths? Must they mingle no more in Protestant society? No more juvenile intimacies of friendship? Avoid all political discussions? Is no soldier loyal but the Catholic one? T.J. Walsh claims that Catholic soldiers were flogged for attending mass.(6) The writer is offended when Hussey says that the Protestant religion is confined to a small country and Catholicism is universal. Again he concludes that the new Bishop kindles the flame of religious discord.
Coldrey says that there were three schools in Waterford at the time, all regarded as proselytising. There was a Charter School just outside the city with 60 boys and girls. There was also a school with75 boys and another with 34 girls. Those were the targets of Hussey’s attack, claiming that they were under siege by the Protestant proselytising societies. I had to read his letter several times to realise that it was an encouragement (or a command) to Catholics to take their children away from those schools. It is clear that Hussey really wanted separate education for Catholic children. Coldrey tells us that the furore over his pastoral letter was so intense that he was obliged to go into exile from his diocese for four years until the controversy abated. (7) He does not say exactly why the bishop had to leave the diocese but it must have been because the people didn’t want separate schooling.
It follows too that this is what Edmund Rice wanted. He aimed at the Christian education of poor boys and so frustrated the effort of the proselytising societies.(8) Coldrey introduces us to these documents but he is not clear on the real intent of Rice. Were his schools not for Catholics only? There may have been a policy of allowing Protestants to attend if they wished and this would justify the claim that they were for all poor people.
When we have grasped this, it becomes clear that when Rice helped to bring the Presentation nuns into Waterford for ‘the Moral and Religious education of the poor’,(9) it was again for Catholics only.
We are fortunate to have a biography of Nano Nagle and her Presentation Sisters.(10) One has the impression that it is written to promote the cause of her canonisation. For example, in describing the religious situation in France in the 17th century, no mention is made of the Edict of Nantes or of its revocation. There is also a section on her charity , Caritas Christi, appropriate preparation for canonisation (50). She started schools for the poor in Cork. It was against the penal laws to have such a school. Her brothers were against it at first for fear of trouble with the law. A good example of how the law was implemented was as follows. In 1762 the government feared a popish plot.(11) The mayor of Cork ordered the commander of the city garrison to patrol the area around the schools. The commander said that the mayor had no authority to make such an order and so, ‘In the quarrel the fears of the popish plot disappeared’.(11) Thus the nuns’ schools were Catholic or separatist by necessity. When, however, they were introduced into Waterford they were separatist by ideology. Ominous is the stipulation that students were not to play with students of other schools.
Dáire Keogh in his life of Rice begins by saying how exaggerated were the RC views of the force of the penal laws. Half the land of Ireland was under RC controls if one considers trustees etc. In 1766 Rome did not recognise the Stuart successors. This eased the situation in Ireland as it reduced the threat to the ruling dynasty in England.
Perhaps I could add some ‘strictures’ of my own on Hussey’s letter. He claims that Ireland was 10% Protestant, but surely it was more like 25% or so in 1800.

He makes no gesture towards reconciliation of the two ‘religions’ as they had been called since the Diet of Augsburg (1555).*

Surely his dedication to Christ would have inspired some effort towards repentance and reconciliation. Nor would this have been out of character with the times. Some thirty years later the bishop of a nearby diocese, James Doyle, proposed that a reunion of the Catholic and Anglican churches could be easily achieved if the King were to call together a few sympathetic bishops from both sides. If agreement were achieved, he said, an Act of Parliament would solve the problem.
CONCILIATORY VOICES
The main facts of the story of the Irish National Schools are rather well known.(12) In 1814, with general Catholic agreement, the Kildare Place Society received grants from the government to assist schools. As an effort to be neutral between the denominations, the scriptures were to be read ‘without note or comment’. Some money, however, was given to proselytising groups and this led Daniel O’Connell to denounce the Society. Eventually two thirds of the money was going to Protestant Ulster, as was stated in Parliament.
In 1831 the government took the matter in hand.(13)  Edward Stanley, the Chief Secretary for Ireland, wrote to the Duke of Leinster outlining the government plans. He was regarded as the Premier Peer in Ireland, with a strong nationalist, or at least neutral, reputation. He would be President of the Board which was to be formally constituted by the Lord Lieutenant. Some money was allotted to the new Board which would supervise how it was spent. This was some thirty years before similar legislation was passed in England. The Board would include men of exalted station from both religious persuasions. Stanley explained that the practice of reading the scriptures without note or comment was obnoxious to Catholics. The aim will be ‘to unite in one system children of different creeds’. Four or five days a week would be devoted to combined moral and literary education, while one or two days will be set aside for separate religious education of the children. There may be some portions of Scripture used for combined education. Teachers should be trained in the Model School in Dublin which was eventually established in Marlborough Street.
The two Archbishops of Dublin agreed to sit on the Board and they were to be the pillars of the system. On the day the schools opened, a ‘lesson’ was displayed which was to be taught in every school. Composed by Richard Whately, Church of Ireland Archbishop, it ran as follows:
Christians should endeavour to live peacefully with all, even those of different religious persuasion. Our Saviour, Christ, commanded his disciples to love one another and even their enemies.
Many hold erroneous doctrines, but we ought not to hate or persecute them. Jesus Christ did not that intend his religion to be forced on men by violent means. Quarreling with our neighbours and abusing them is not the way to convince them that we are in the right and they in the wrong. We ought to show ourselves followers of Christ by behaving gently and kindly to everyone.
Bishop James Doyle of Kildare and Leighlin (already mentioned) was pleased with Whatley’s ‘Lesson’ and commended it to his clergy in a circular as the schools began in 1831. Later Doyle spoke before a Parliamentary Committee as follows:

“I do not see how any man wishing well to the public peace, and who looks to Ireland as his country, can think that peace can be permanently established, or the prosperity of the country ever well secured, if children are separated at the commencement of life on account of their religious opinions.”

This is how he sees it from a political point of view. Separate schools would endanger the public peace, which is not yet permanent. The prosperity of the country also depends on keeping children together. Then he deals with the effect of separation on the children themselves.

“I do not know of any measures that would prepare the way for better feeling in Ireland than uniting children at an early age, and bringing them up in the same school, leading them to commune with one another and to form those little intimacies and friendships which subsist through life. Children thus united know and love each other as children brought up together always will and to separate them is I think, to destroy some of the finest feelings in the hearts of men.”

Doyle believes that the separation of children is against the very order of nature. When we read those words it is surprising how far we have departed from his ideals. These are words ‘that will not go away’; they remain as a judgement upon us today.
This ‘Bishop of Kildare’ deserves much greater study. He made famous statements on other issues: the theological status of ‘non-Catholic’ Christians; freedom to convert to Protestantism, mixed marriages and, as already mentioned, on the union of Catholics and Anglicans. We know now that on this last issue he was asked to resign by Rome and was eventually allowed to continue after agreeing not to speak on the issue again. This ‘silencing’, if that is what it was, also needs study.(14)

BOYCOTTING THE NATIONAL SYSTEM
Archbishop Murray of Dublin put great pressure on Br Rice to join the national system. ‘In view of the archbishop’s eminent standing’, Rice decided to apply for the admission of some of his schools into the National Board’. Six schools joined but, six years later, Rice held a General Chapter of the Congregation to decide whether to remain inside the National system. There were complaints about the textbooks which did not teach in conformity to Catholic doctrine. Yet their books were regarded as of high quality and were the most popular in the Empire and in 1861 were the most widely used school books in England. Further the Commissioners were beginning to ask that Brothers attend the Model School in Marlborough Street. To this they objected as there was a Presbyterian was in charge. Without consulting Murray, the chapter decided unanimously that ‘no connection shall be formed henceforth with the Board of National Education.(14a) The Patrician, Presentation, Marist and Christian (de la Salle) Brothers all went in under the National Board. The case of the Presentation Brothers is interesting as they were a breakaway group from the main body of Rice Brothers.
The inevitable result was that the Christian Brothers developed a separate system with their own books. They were out of line with all the other teaching Brothers. They were strongly nationalist and taught their own version of Irish history and their own approach to loyalty to the state. When Cardinal Cullen decided to challenge the National system, they were at hand as leaders in the struggle against the Government. Their schools were deliberately used to draw pupils away from the Model Schools. Those had the duty of training teachers in the national system. The Catholic policy was now against Archbishop Murray as well as that of his predecessor, John Troy. Even though Stanley had granted free education for the Catholic poor and assurance against proselytism, this policy was now reversed.
Murray had been instrumental in getting ‘Pontifical’ status for the Order which meant that they were largely free of Episcopal control. Coldrey does not ask if Rice was disobedient to the bishop. Certainly not from a canon law point of view; he was head of an independent religious Order and so could form his own policy. Yet Keogh shows clearly that Murray was displeased with Rice’s action. From a more spiritual point of view, was he obedient to Christ, the fundamental Christian duty? We can say, ‘Most certainly not!’; all the characters who opted for separation rather than reconciliation and peace were guilty before the Lord.

CARDINAL CULLEN
Paul Cullen was born in Prospect in Co. Kildare. His father was friendly with the Quakers in nearby Ballitore, so Paul was sent to school there at the age of nine and remained till he was thirteen. I estimate that he had to walk just over two miles to get to school. There, one must presume, he learnt the elements of Latin and Greek. Four years later he was sent as a boarder to St Patrick’s College, Carlow and from there proceeded to a brilliant scholarly career. In Rome the Pope himself (Leo XII) came to hear him defend his doctorate and so it was only a natural progression for him to become the Pope’s main link with Ireland. In 1850 he was appointed Archbishop of Armagh but two years later came to the much more important See of Dublin.
He reacted strongly against common education and when he became archbishop of Dublin, was able to establish a new policy. At the same time he opposed the government’s plans for universities in Belfast, Dublin, Cork and Galway, famously calling them ‘godless colleges’. Whatley had worked along with Archbishop Murray for twenty years and his scheme of religious instruction for Protestants and Catholics together was carried out for that time. Whatley wrote Lessons on the truth of Christianity. Murray at first objected to the first two chapters. Revd James Carlisle (Presbyterian) took it in hand and produced a new edition which won the approbation of Murray. There were eighteen chapters. He argued for an undefined general Christianity and so could not be accused of being sectarian. It was then published by the Commission and could be used in all schools. Next they published Scripture lessons. It comprised four volumes and could be used for common religious education. ‘In many respects the work was simply an edition of the Bible with the confusion removed.’(15) This meant that there was now a third type of instruction: combined religious instruction at which no child was required to be present if parents objected. Cullen put further pressure on Whatley who felt himself constrained to withdraw from the Education Board.(16) He openly stated his objection to the Scripture Lessons and to Evidence of Christianity in a pastoral of 1853. After this they could not be used for combined instruction; only for separate education. It was a sad end to the courses that were provided by agreement of the three main denominations.
To help us to grasp the extent of the change involved, we may remember that Murray told a government inquiry that there could be no possible objection to a Protestant teaching secular literature to Catholic and Protestant children together.(17) Later Cullen was to say that ‘keeping company continually with Protestant children and teachers [weakened] the faith of the Catholic child’. This is a common phenomenon in the monarchical structure; popes, bishops and abbots can all institute a policy in direct opposition to that of their predecessor.
In a recent study,(18) Joseph Doyle has detailed, blow for blow, how Cullen broke down the National system and obtained almost a full denominational system. Here I will comment on just two points. It is terribly sad to read that Cornelius Denvir, bishop in Belfast, had established a Model school there and had the Catholic clergy and laity enthusiastic about it. Cullen had him removed from the Board and some papers reported at the time that it was done by getting the Pope himself to lecture Denvir on his moderation and order him off the board. Many readers will remember how ten or fifteen years ago the British Government tried to get the Catholics in Belfast to agree to have the two teacher training colleges on the same campus. It seemed to be an obvious economy for any government and yet the Catholics were able to thwart the plan. Apparently Cullen’s fear of contamination by contact with Protestants was still alive and well. At a public inquiry, Cullen was asked why he was so different from Murray. He said that the latter, now safely dead, only accepted the system as an experiment; it was only now that its dangers were exposed. He disagreed strongly with any Catholics who favoured the system.
An all-out attack on the Model schools was begun in 1862. They were the teacher training places for the National system. The new policy is perhaps best seen in his attack on the Model School in Athy. The Brothers were dispatched to counteract the Model School operating there. Soon not a single Catholic child was left in the Model School in Athy. Cardinal Cullen had imposed a ban of excommunication on any Catholic who sent children to the Model School.(19)

ARCHBISHOP JOHN MACHALE
To continue the story it is necessary to turn back some decades. In Co. Mayo a young man was successfully educated in the hedge schools and went on to the new College in Maynooth. This must have been a relief for the diocese rather than having to ship him to the Continent. John McHale made great progress and quickly became a professor of dogma. He and other staff were occasionally entertained in Carton House, the residence of the Duke of Leinster. MacHale and some colleagues wrote a public letter denouncing Doyle’s scheme for unity. As happened more than once in subsequent history the some of the writers were soon made bishops themselves. MacHale was appointed to succeed the ageing bishop of his native Killala. He eventually went on to be Archbishop of Tuam and at first accepted the new National Schools quietly but the stance of the Rice Brothers seems to have affected him deeply. In 1838, following the example of Rice, he withdrew the few schools in his diocese that were under the Board and it would be another forty years before money was again available in Tuam for primary education.
By this time the proselytising campaign in the West of Ireland had made many converts and it seems that this was the main factor in turning Cullen against any kind of contact with Protestant teachers. For exciting details on this campaign, read Soupers and Jumpers.(20)
The campaign to separate the children according to creed was very successful. Recently I had a dream. On a Sunday morning, I was able to walk up the Shankhill Road in Belfast and down the Falls Road. In my dream I thought that I was accompanied by James Doyle, the bishop of Kildare and Leighlin. I reminded him of his words on separate education. He said that he foresaw the difficulties but he never thought that separation could be so complete and thorough. His advice of course was to get back to joint education as was practised in the early days. Of this the Model School in Athy remains a model for the whole country.

(1) This information is mainly from Liam and Fíona Rainsford of Dataprint, Athy.
(2) Barry Coldrey, Faith and Fatherland: The Christian Brothers and the development of Irish Nationalism 1838-1921 (Dublin: Gill and Macmillan 1988) . There is a copy in the National Library. A copy is easily available on loan from the British Library.
(3) For convenience in this essay I will refer to them as the ‘Rice Brothers’ as is done in the USA, in order to distinguish them from the French Christian Brothers founded by J.B. de la Salle.
(4) Coldrey, 28-30.
(5) Pamphlet in the National Library bound along with the letter of Bishop Hussey and entitled, Strictures and Remarks on Dr Hussey’s Pastoral Address to the Clergy of Lismore and Waterford (Dublin 1797). It is remarkable that Coldrey does not refer to this pamphlet, even though it must have been bound with the Hussey letter at the time he was researching the matter. Dáire Keogh, Edmund Rice 1762-1844, discovered at least five pamphlets criticising the bishop’s letter (p.39).
(6) T.J. Walsh, Nano Nagle and the Presentation Sisters 153.
(7) Coldrey, 14
(8) Coldrey, 16.
(9)  ibid.
(10)TJ Walsh , Nano Nagle and the Presentation Sisters (1959, reprint: Monasterevin 1980).
(11)  ibid. 52.
(12) For a rather brief summary, see our essay, ‘Separate Churches: Separate Schools’ in E. McDonagh (ed.) Survival or Salvation? A Second Mayo Book of Theology (Dublin: Columba 1994) 113-28.
(13) Later Prime Minister as 14th Earl of Derby.
(14) In my book on The Apparition at Knock: The Ecumenical Dimension, I have a chapter on ‘Ireland’s ‘Second Reformation’ which is rather well known and another on ‘An Irish Counter Reformation’ which is hardly known at all. Available from Bolton Abbey or Knock Shrine.

(14 a) Coldrey 28-30.

(15)  Akenson, ‘The Politics of the Curriculum’, Experiment 245.
(16) Akenson, on the resignation of Whately see ibid. 258-73.
(17)  quoted from D.H. Akenson, The Irish Education Experiment: The National System of Education in  the Nineteenth Century, (London 1970) 95.
(18) Joseph Doyle, ‘Cardinal Cullen and the system of national education in Ireland’, in D. Keogh,   A. McDonnell (ed.) Cardinal Cullen and his world (Dublin: Four Courts 2011).

(19) Coldrey. 34, 39.

(20) by Miriam Moffitt (Dublin: Nonsuch 2008)


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Hassan Boyle joins Anti Water Protest from his house behind a gate

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Front and house HBFrom our Christian leaders home series. This is to show that there is a causal connection between tithing and rich pastors. The house is found on Mount Avenue, in the Castletown area of Dundalk and is known by the locals ‘as back of the wall. It is worth about € 500,000 or thereabouts.

We know this is his house as there are notices on the gate re water charges, nonpayment with Hassan’s name on them.

Be RichNatan -ELNo for sale sign up..The meaning of the corner sign, Nathan el? comes from “Nathanel” from hebrew נתנאל, means “Gift of God”, this is a different name but same meaning to “Nathaniel” (נתנאל) except this name is without the “i”.

GateNow it looks like we will not be having a debate on November 4th? No one is up for it. Looks like it is going to be a Passover operation?

Looking at the gate above try to see if you can guess where the gate below is to be found and who owns the house?

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The Story of the Model School in Athy and how it has been changed into a Denominational School.

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Athy Model School

Athy Model School Ethos

athy-model-school-logoAthy Model School is a primary school under the patronage of the Department of Education, with a Church of Ireland ethos. We endeavour to enable each child to acquire a set of moral values based on the ethos of the school.

We encourage parents and children to involve themselves in the activities of both the Church of Ireland community and the wider community. However, we have due recognition of all other beliefs and cultures and we respect cultural and religious diversity.

History of the School

http://athymodelschool.ie/history-of-the-school/

Model schools

In 1831, an educational system was set up in Ireland. One of its main aims was to provide trained teachers to work in the new national schools. The idea was that able pupils would be encouraged to stay at national school as monitors and train under an experienced teacher. Therefore the concept of the ‘model school’ was set up as non-denominational national schools.

athy-model-school-logoWhen the Commissioners of National Education began teacher training, it set up a Central Training Institution in Marlborough Street, Dublin with three central model schools for boys, girls and infants.

In 1834, steps were taken to extend both the model schools and the training establishment. Between 1848 and 1857, other model schools were built in Limerick, Galway, Clonmel, Waterford, Kilkenny, Trim, Dunmanway, Newry, Ballymena, Coleraine, Belfast and of course Athy.

In 1870, the Royal Commission into Primary Education examined the model school system and recommended that the schools should be closed and that the buildings should be used as ordinary locally managed national schools. Teacher training was to move into residential training colleges offering one-two year full time courses and model schools were to be used for teaching practice only.

Athy Model School

In 1848, plans were being made for the Athy District Model School. The Duke of Leinster agreed to lease his land for ‘educational purposes’. On the 26th June 1848, the 99 year lease was drawn up.

In 1850 building began on this Tudor Gothic School at a cost of £8,224.21. It consisted of a male and female school with an adjoining agricultural school, together with a headmaster’s residence and dormitory accommodation for trainee teachers and agricultural schools.

The Model School was officially opened on 12th August, 1852. Mr. John Walshe was principal of the school, assisted by John Henderson and pupil teachers William Patterson and Charles Dodd.

Mrs. Anne O’Reilly was headmistress of the girl’s school, assisted by Bessie Glover and Amelia Craig was headmistress of the infants section, assisted by Mrs. Maguire.

On its first day, 13 boys, 1 girl and 1 infant were enrolled. By the following February, the school had 207 on its register and 281 by September 1853.

In each succeeding year up to 1856, when 567 children were enrolled, the Model School attracted more and more local children to its non-denominational classes.

It achieved its highest enrolment in 1858 when 582 children were listed on the school registers.

In the agricultural school pupils received training in the latest farming methods on the farm attached to the school. This extended to 64 acres in 1855 but was sold by auction when the agricultural school closed in September 1880.

The District Model School remained open but with a reduced number of children on its roles the majority of them now being of the protestant faiths.

By 1881, Mr Patrick Doogan had taken over as principal of the Model School. Mrs. Anne O’Reilly remained as headmistress of the girls’ school and Harriet Souter was in charge of the infants.

In 1901, Mr. Daniel Rice became the new principal of the newly named National Model School. There were six in the family: his wife Margaret, their baby son, a servant Mary Price and two boarders in the school- pupil teachers Cassells Cordner and John English Bolton, both aged 17.

The whole school was re-roofed and decorated in the early 1990s. Due to the deteriorating condition of some of the ‘no longer used’ rooms in the school, and the urgent need for facilities for the V.T.O.S (Vocational Training Opportunity System), an arrangement was reached to accommodate them in the school. They moved into a totally separated area, which included the old ‘turf-room’ and the infant’s extension with the junior play-ground as their entrance and car park.

In 1970, a temporary home was found for the Garda Síochána at the Model School in the old headmaster’s house, and adjoining unused rooms facing the Dublin Road. The gardaí remained there until 1985 when they moved into their newly built premises at the rear of Duke Street.

The Model School building was sadly destroyed by fire in March 2010. Kildare VEC arranged for the immediate accommodation of pupils and staff in a section of the newly built Athy College, in Tomard, on the Monasterevin Road.

In September 2011, pupils and staff moved to what is the new Athy Model School, on the Athy Educational Campus, Tomard, Athy. The Model School shares the campus with Athy College, Gaelscoil Áth Í and Scoil Phádraig Naofa.

It is interesting now that DCU is going to be at the centre of education whether they are aware of the early origins of  National School education there?

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2014/02/13/dcu-is-connected-to-the-earliest-days-of-the-national-school-system/

Also we make available the article we published by Bro Eoin yesterday.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/bro-eoin-a-monk-form-co-kildare-gives-us-an-insight-into-how-the-national-schol-became-a-sectarian-apartheid-system/

Old Model School


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Dr. Magnus Lundberg of the Uppsala University, Department of Theology has written important material on the Palmarians.

Archbishop Eamon Martin agrees to meet Mike Garde, the Director of Dialogue Ireland about the House of Prayer.

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Eamon Martin

Mike Garde will meet Archbishop Martin in Dundalk on November 6th to discuss the issues surrounding the House of Prayer. Mike Garde met with a group of family members affected by loss of their relationship with family members and agreed to further their demands for a reaction from the Catholic Church.

The main focus of the meeting from DI’s perspective is as I wrote to the Archbishop,

Naturally my focus in meeting you is in regard to the ministry of Fr Gerard McGinnity and what response you are inclined to make in regard to his continuing involvement with the House of Prayer.


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The Irish Episcopal Conference will examine the issue of the House of Prayer at their next meeting at the end of September

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This the notification I received from Monsignor Gearóid Dullea,
Executive Secretary, Irish Episcopal Conference.

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Dear Mike,

Thank you for your email correspondence of June 2015. This material was circulated to the bishops at the recent meeting of the Standing Committee of the Episcopal Conference.
The Standing Committee has decided to send this material to all members of the Episcopal Conference so that there can be an informed discussion on this matter at the bishops’ meeting at the end of the month. As mentioned to you on the telephone, the Synod of Bishops preparations mean that there won’t be time at that meeting for a presentation on the topic but all bishops will have a copy of the material which you have sent for their discussion. The bishops are also aware of your offer of books on the matter. I note from your conversation that Archbishop Eamon Martin’s office has been in contact with you to arrange a meeting with you in November.

With all good wishes,

Gearóid Dullea.

Monsignor Gearóid Dullea

Executive Secretary

Irish Episcopal Conference

Columba Centre

Maynooth

Co. Kildare

Ireland

Tel: 01-5053020

Fax: 01-6292360

Email: ex.sec@iecon.ie

This was my reply,

Dear Gearóid,

Many thanks for your swift response and for confirming that the bishops will be addressing the issue of The House of Prayer at their meeting at the end of this month.
In order to formulate a view one must have the evidence. As I said the book by Jim has the basis for the bishops to not even go anywhere near looking into the her visionary claims.
I outlined that fully to Archbishop Eamon. Also it is only following the meeting when you will be able to tell me whether I will be allowed to address the bishops on this at a further meeting

They have the material I assume that is on my blog. However, having a book which has the facts would be a great assistance to them.

Commentary:
Because the October meeting has been brought forward to Sept 29 – Sept 30 there will not be enough time for me to make a presentation at this meeting. This is because of the Synod in Rome on the family, and there might be a possibility to address the bishops at a future meeting consequently.
All the bishops have received the material I sent them plus the book entitled Refractions of Light by Kevin Symonds which explores a theological rather than canon law approach to go beyond the impasse of Non Recognition clearly not working in Tuam.
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Also the book suggests that the way forward with the necessary support of the Archbishop is the involvement of the Episcopal Conference in assisting Tuam. Naturally the Episcopal Conference does not have juridical power, but every bishop is affected by what is happening in Achill as people are under the influence of what is clearly a movement which has no Catholic characteristics. Also as Kevin argues there is no requirement to investigate the visions if the the visionary who does not recognise the Bishop’s authority. Also there is clear evidence of attachment to wealth and finally if there is any hint of immorality that nullifies any need to investigate. There is clear evidence of both in Jim Gallagher’s book and of the the involvement of Fr McGinnity in these activities.
Immaculate deception


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