Knockmore Church

Knockbridge is a most beautiful parish and has some beautiful Harry Clarke windows.

The Parish Priest is Fr Gerard McGinnity who was a whistle blower over thirty years ago in regard to the behaviour of Michael Ledwith then President of the St Patrick’s College. He was a genuine scholar and had obtained a Doctorate in Classics from Trinity College Dublin on the subject of Ambrose of Milan. He was treated in a most despicable manner by his superiors and in the end after some time in Rome and in Armagh was placed in Knockbridge.

He had become a small fish in a big pond.
At this time of vulnerability he was brought under the influence of Christina Gallagher who made him her spiritual advisor so that

he became a big fish in a small pond.

He had a tendency to researching private revelation and chased these around the country. Gradually his clear thinking was reduced to such an extent due to the undue influence of Christina Gallagher that people thought he was suffering from a psychiatric illness. Nothing could be further from the truth. Influence does not imply a psychiatric condition.
Any way getting back to the story, we were not there to look at stain glass windows. No we came to gauge what was happening in the parish and pick up what the mood music was like. We arrived a bit late, but were happy to see that Fr McGinnity was there. We had been led to believe he was going to be there the day before for the blessing of the graves so our intelligence proved to be correct. Talking to parishioners afterwards it is clear no one really wants to talk and the issue of his involvement with a fake visionary is taboo there.
In the mass itself there was a sense of a lack of emotion and there was an ethereal, near Gnostic feel to his presence there. You did not sense the power of the gospel coming from him. Cardinal Brady identified a holiness with his person. I would suggest it had a depressive feel and loneliness attached to it. He now has to defend the indefensible and you feel he is waiting to be called for his execution not as a martyr, but as one who has been delinquent and has aided and abetted a fraud of a unprecedented nature which has affected a cohort of up to 20,000 Catholics. The parish then is light years from the reality of his non Eucharistic liturgical carry on in Achill. What must it be like for him every Saturday going to this unrecognised place and being able due to the neglect of the Diocese of Armagh in allowing him the right to keep going there? Has no one the ability to confront him?
Because of earlier visits we know how Fr McGinnity operates. He leaves his car at the back door of the Church even though his parochial house is a two minute walk from the Church, but he is like Saul the King of Israel waiting for someone to confront him.

This is not the car Fr McGinnity currently uses.

Apparently, Fr McGinnity does not greet his parishioners at the front of the Church, but we each went to a different entrance in order to be able to talk to him. One of the people whose family member has been totally overwhelmed by her involvement with the House of Prayer brought her very young children to the sacristy to talk to Fr. McGinnity and was engaged with him for over 20 minutes. He was very condescending to her, but she had read a book by Kevin Symonds which questioned everything the priest was saying, and he was clearly basing his rationale for supporting the House of Prayer on a very flimsy foundation. When they appeared at the rear of the Church she introduced him to me. I reminded him that when I was a student at Maynooth he was the junior dean. I reminded him that at Christmas one year I was asked to be Santa for the Student Christmas Party. I brought some of the women students up to the dorm and he came out and said if we did not get moving he would call the Gardai. I said to him I had a lovely tricycle for him for his Christmas present but because he was so naughty would give it to a deserving child.

At that point I was going to suggest a public debate with him on the House of Prayer when a journalist took a photograph of us and he freaked and thought he had been set up. It really did not matter as it was clear he did not want to discuss any further.
So with reflection over the past month I would suggest that Kevin Symonds whose book addresses the issue of visionaries and how the Church should address their claims would be happy to engage in such a debate with Fr McGinnity. I would have thought that an Catholic newspaper like the Irish Catholic or the Theo in Trinity, or any of the University debating Societies could easily allow him to provide the public justification for supporting an unrecognised entity like the HofP and how he as a priest of the Armagh Archdiocese can justify his support for someone who clearly and resolutely refuses to submit to her her bishop, and also when requested by the same said bishop not to enter his diocese he blatantly and with forethought refuses to submit. “I will not serve.” Currently, the position in Armagh is unclear. We are waiting for their recommendation as the new Archbishop has only been there for a year. However, it is clear in correspondence I received from Cardinal Brady he saw his priest as living an exemplary life and that the Prayers of the HofP were not different from the Catholic Church.
We now await the response to our challenge to debate with Kevin Symonds.

This site is monitored by the House of Prayer, but we will send this post to Fr McGinnity for his response.

Marian College is the College which has had the most visits since we started over 25 years ago.

What is involved with a School Visit?

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/schools/

Previous visits:
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/10/07/visit-of-the-director-of-dialogue-ireland-to-marian-college-monday-october-8th-2012/
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/reflections-on-a-visit-to-marian-college-cultist-educational-and-historical/

Finance in focus with Pastor Sunday Adelaja & Terry Quinn

We have clearly stated we are not a Christian site adjudicating on various beliefs or theologies. However, we have watched this video and at first it looks like Terry Quinn is repudiating the Prosperity Theology of the usual suspects, but on closer examination they are clearly replacing the teaching of Jesus and the gospel with a wealth creating philosophy. I hold with my original view that it is both sub Christian, and as it promotes the self and it is clearly Satanic or Luciferean consequently. It is the exact opposite of the trajectory of the New Testament which is to confront this world system and like Christ set your face to Jerusalem and take on the powers of the Romans, the Herodians, the Zealots, Pharisees, Sadducees and Essenes. Jesus focuses on the poor of the land and on the God Movement.

We have been receiving private messages from people in Dundalk who seem to proclaim their messages in public, use social media to promote themselves and their message and then when one publishes a response they become like shrinking violets and want you to take down the articles by writing us private mails. We will be replying for the last time to some of these emails, but after that we say publish your replies here on our blog or anywhere, but do not try to try to engage privately, and seek apologies. Living in a democratic society we believe we have the right to publish any material as long as it is not defamatory. We have also given the grounds for our conclusions by referencing every post with evidence. We have also already offered the following space for replies publically and in a private emails.

So please have a look at the links and see if you can see any resemblance to the teachings of the NT? Of course we want you to come back and comment and give the evidence if you feel that we have not addressed the position accurately. What ever you do, do not try to learn about finances from Thomas Cooney.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/05/terry-quinn-andy-nugent-and-thomas-cooney-lead-seminar-september-5th/#more-15173

Part of a reply to a private email seeking to have a post deleted.

Perhaps you could outline what it is you would like to meet about? Also you are free to reply to anything on our blog. That is the function of a blog. Also if there is any inaccuracy which you have found we are happy to correct it. Also we are very happy to provide you with an uncensored right of reply which we will publish.In other words meeting would result from working through this process.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/why-did-terry-quinn-move-to-dundalk/#comment-115694

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/05/terry-quinn-andy-nugent-and-thomas-cooney-lead-seminar-september-5th/

Note the referential nature of the description and the purpose, “They will be available for prayers and spiritual talks.” Let us assume they invited themselves but let us look at what this signifies for the unity of the Catholic Church? First we have a schismatic woman visionary who is in open rebellion against the Archbishop of Tuam being accompanied by a priest who is in good standing with the Archdiocese of Armagh. He is undermining Catholic orthodoxy by consorting, enabling and giving her movement support. Then we have a theologian from Garristown, Co. Meath from the Archdiocese of Dublin who is publically supporting Christina on the House of Prayer web site.

http://www.christinagallagher.org/en/

“Catholic writer and journalist Martina Caffrey, MA in Theology, rebuts media sensational calls for the House of Prayer in Achill and Christina Gallagher to be excommunicated…”

One must ask has Martina Caffrey sought permission from the Archbishop to spread this unsupported visionary?

Finally as noted a number of times we have people from every diocese in Ireland travelling up to Achill every week. This makes it very appropriate that the bishops are going to address this issue forthwith. Finally as this reports suggests this is not just an Irish issue but the bishops in Ireland have a duty to their Mexican and US bishops who equally do not recognise Christina to act in concert to bring this breach of Catholicity to an end.

The Very Rev Dr Gerard McGinnity & Christina Gallagher have accepted an invitation from the Houses of Prayer in the US to make a return visit in 2015 Details of their visit are as follows: Minnesota House of Prayer – September 19 & 20, 2015 Mexico House of Prayer – 29th September, 2015 Texas House of Prayer – October 3 & 4, 2015 Kansas House of Prayer – October 10 & 11, 2015They will be available for prayers and spiritual talks. There is also a house in Florida, see details here: http://www.christinagallagher.org/en/Achill_Chain_Houses.html CG and GM outside Florida House

New developments with Gerry Byrne of Victory as reported by Phoenix.

Gerry Byrne is on the left and is seen with the other Trustees of Victory Sheila and Brendan Hade.

The Irish bishops are going to be looking at the issues surrounding Christina Gallagher’s House of Prayer.

We reported this was coming up a few weeks ago:

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/18/the-irish-episcopal-conference-will-examine-the-issue-of-the-house-of-prayer-at-their-next-meeting-at-the-end-of-september/

A lot of the family members affected by the HofP asked if we could get a copy of Jim Gallagher’s House of Prayer book entitled “Immaculate Deception,” into the hands of the bishops. It is a great read and also the publishing house that produced it went out of business. There a plenty of copies and the book is regarded as one of the clearest in regard to the evolution of a cult.

http://www.dialogueireland.org/dicontent/resources/video/tv3midweek.html

We also showed taht CG and GM were over in the States and Mexico.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/23/gerard-mcginnity-christina-gallagher-on-us-junket/

Mike Garde spent over 6 hours in Maynooth to discuss a number of issues with a DI board member, and also visited his Alma Mater after an absence of nearly 6 years. He was also able to speak quite openly with Bishop William Crean from Cloyne about the issues related to the HofP.

Bishop Crean had invited him to a public meeting in Killarney over 20 years ago to discuss the cult issue. He understood the issues facing families and was hopeful a resolution could be found.

I was able to hand over a copy of the book for every bishop, that is for those that did not already have it.

I then walked around the grounds and came to the College Cemetery and noted a few of the famous people.

One of course was the famous scientist Nicholas Callan.

An interesting person was called the DOM, Michael Casey who was head of Chemistry when I was a student. He used to start his lectures with a slide of Our Lady. He then promoted a Marian Pilgrimage to Knock. I was on that train that stopped in Maynooth in October of 1973 and as it was the only one that stopped in Maynooth till the trains were reinstated. It was quite an experience.

Another person who had a profound influence on me was Patrick Corish who was a Church historian.

When I was a student at Maynooth I was the first non Catholic to sit for the BD. I was given credit for my Baptist College Diploma and my Diploma in Theology from London University. I formed the view that the proliferation of mission houses like the SVD, SMA and Salesian hostels was not a good idea. I would have build a National Seminary with the Religious Orders together on the new campus. Also I thought the practice of allowing students to be funded by dioceses to do their primary degree a bad one. I felt they should have had to struggle to support themselves in coming to Maynooth and live out in the community. I lived in a house in the Rail Park estate with a number of ex clerics and it was often a moral nightmare when these guys jumped ship. I would have turned the massive St Mary’s block into student accommodation. I met a woman from Mayo who told me that a number of rooms in that block are open now to non clerics. The result is that the Seminary is very much a kind of monastic site with enclosures and is off limits. You have the sense it is not Newman’s idea of an University but a retreat from engagement academically and a kind withdrawal from the battle of ideas. There are just too few to justify the space taken up.

It is as if the battle is lost, and now there is desire to save a remnant

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This is the view out from inside the enclosure.

I then proceeded to look at all the pictures of the Classes from 1970 to 2015 and also for paintings of the various bishops. I saw none of Cardinal Cullen and thinking about it it is likely because his major project was building Holy Cross Seminary, Clonliffe.

I did not feature in the year I graduated 1976 as I was not ordained. I did find that two of the persons next to each other both became bishops. Namely William Crean and Noel Traynor.

My only connection to the issues concerning the House of Prayer related to the fact that while I was in Maynooth Gerard McGinnity was the junior Dean.

I have related my experiences elsewhere so will not again.

I reminded him that at Christmas one year I was asked to be Santa for the Student Christmas Party. I brought some of the women students up to the dorm and he came out and said if we did not get moving he would call the Gardai. I said to him I had a lovely tricycle for him for his Christmas present but because he was so naughty would give it to a deserving child.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/18/visit-of-di-trustees-and-members-of-house-of-prayer-support-group-to-knockbridge-parish-church-on-sunday-august-16-2015/

Already by 1979 the rising star in the Seminary was Mícháel Ledwith who was Professor of Dogmatics.

It is interesting that by 1985 Gerard McGinnity was the Dean and the picture for that year has him in a large central position and the President at the side now Mícháel Ledwith.

The question now is will the bishops meeting in Ireland be able to address this issue? It is one that needs closure both for the victims of the Church of Prayer, for the Catholic Church in Ireland and even as this photo suggests for Fr McGinnity to be relieved of living in denial and away from the truth. Look at how energetic he looks filled with hope and if he had been able to use his brilliant mind what a different position he would be in?

If he is to be the priest he wished to be he has to make a decisive break with the one who has brought him under her malign influence. Who? Christina Gallagher.

You will find the following announcement on the Christina Gallagher’s site.

http://www.christinagallagher.org/en/

Following the article in the Sunday World by Jim Gallagher

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/27/bishops-conference-set-to-discuss-christina-gallaghers-prayer-empire-at-last-by-jim-gallagher-sunday-world/

and ours published last week,

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/23/gerard-mcginnity-christina-gallagher-on-us-junket/

Then suddenly when the Sunday World published on Sunday the HofP came back with their usual response about the sick visionary.. We will reply in full to that as it claims I wrote the article.

You will note that nowhere did it state the the visit had been cancelled due to ill health. Perhaps they do not read their own web site?

The Very Rev Dr Gerard McGinnity
& Christina Gallagher
have accepted an invitation
from the Houses of Prayer in the US
to make a return visit in 2015

Details of their visit are as follows:

Minnesota House of Prayer – September 19 & 20, 2015
Mexico House of Prayer – 29th September, 2015
Texas House of Prayer – October 3 & 4, 2015
Kansas House of Prayer – October 10 & 11, 2015

They will be available for prayers and spiritual talks.

We publish full article and web site and reply below it. It was possibly written by  their Director Pat Coleman.

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Caught Again in their Own Lies!

Today’s outrageous attack by Mike Garde in the Sunday World announcing that Christina Gallagher is sunning herself in the United States and enjoying herself at the expense of other people shows how the same so-called “authority” is entirely disinterested in facts or truth.This is complete and utter slander. First of all Christina Gallagher is not in the United States she is in her home in Ireland because of ill-health – brought upon her by the likes of Mike Garde cruelly hounding her and publishing deceptive material which has no basis in reality. Christina only goes to the United States if invited to do so by the people there and when she does travel there it is not for sunning herself or enjoying herself but to carry out the work given her to do. Not only has her health been irreparably damaged but her very life has been put in danger by the persecution Mike Garde and the likes of him recklessly pursue in an unexplained frenzied obsession that in its most recent ugly phase has continued non-stop for the past 8 years. Of course the public have long observed the obsessive repetition of the same boring lies in both the Sunday World and on TV3 concerning the mission of Our Lady Queen of Peace House of Prayer, but in more recent times as in today’s article they are becoming even more nauseated at being treated like utter fools. Today’s deceptive article which is entirely misleading and slanderous fits the pattern of deception and lies which has come to be seen as Mr Garde’s hallmark. Clearly he is incapable of checking the simplest of facts but prefers to treat readers as gullible fools. Over the years he has shown himself incapable of checking and reporting the fact of over 700 healing and conversion testimonies at the House of Prayer. Just as he clearly lacks an appreciation of the Catholic faith, its teaching and practices. Today’s gaffe is in perfect consistency with his customary deception and slander of Mrs Gallagher.

Our Reply:

Today’s outrageous attack by Mike Garde in the Sunday World announcing that Christina Gallagher is sunning herself in the United States and enjoying herself at the expense of other people shows how the same so-called “authority” is entirely disinterested in facts or truth.

It is quite clear that the author of this press release is confused. They either did not read the article or have been misinformed. I wrote no article in the Sunday World. It was written by Jim Gallagher.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/27/bishops-conference-set-to-discuss-christina-gallaghers-prayer-empire-at-last-by-jim-gallagher-sunday-world/

I am quoted in the SW but to attribute to me an article is a very flimsy basis for outrage? By the way we were reliably informed from former members that Christina was a glutton for shopping on these trips.One can see how she would like to portray herself as an innocent abroad or now is it an innocent at home.

This is complete and utter slander.

Just to be completely clear this is not slander but if not true is defamation. Normally if this occurs the person so defamed has the right to seek redress from the newspaper but in this case it is a little problematic as we found this information on your web site?

First of all Christina Gallagher is not in the United States she is in her home in Ireland because of ill-health – brought upon her by the likes of Mike Garde cruelly hounding her and publishing deceptive material which has no basis in reality.

First of all Christina from the Lady Macbeth syndrome where when she is exposed she blames the people who find her out and hides behind the defence she is sick. she is indeed very sick because she has managed to enrich herself and live a life of luxury and get away with it for years.

By the way this house has not been able to be sold. The logic that suggests that each time a new house is found is due to her need to find rest is a major joke.

Christina only goes to the United States if invited to do so by the people there and when she does travel there it is not for sunning herself or enjoying herself but to carry out the work given her to do.

Yes she is invited by whom. It is like the THE PEOPLE we used to get in response to who was buying the houses. Time to give up the sham. I can make no comment about her sunning herself, you will need to bring that up with Jim Gallagher the author of the article.

Not only has her health been irreparably damaged but her very life has been put in danger by the persecution Mike Garde and the likes of him recklessly pursue in an unexplained frenzied obsession that in its most recent ugly phase has continued non-stop for the past 8 years.

Likely the real cause of her turmoil is the fact she can’t reconcile her Catholic faith and her actions. It is a guilt complex which you are trying to project onto Jim Gallagher and Mike Garde.

Certainly it is not persecution but the desire the aprox. 20,000 people affected get their family member back, and any cash misdirected to private use under the undue influence and misuse of  Mary the mother of God. Certainly, it is not an unexplained frenzied obsession, but rather trying to have the appropriate authorities act in regard to this madness. First and foremost the Archdiocese of Tuam and also the Archdiocese of Armagh.

Of course the public have long observed the obsessive repetition of the same boring lies in both the Sunday World and on TV3 concerning the mission of Our Lady Queen of Peace House of Prayer, but in more recent times as in today’s article they are becoming even more nauseated at being treated like utter fools.

You clearly have no idea of the public view. In fact they can’t understand why the Church has not acted to end this misery earlier. I should remind you the documentary on TV3 is now exactly 4 years old?

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/tv3-irelands-secret-cults/

I would rather suggest that they are nauseated because nothing seems to change and this scam continues.

Today’s deceptive article which is entirely misleading and slanderous fits the pattern of deception and lies which has come to be seen as Mr Garde’s hallmark.

Do you not notice you you repeat generalised outpourings and you seem to have not noticed the glaring fact that Mike Garde did not write any article in the Sunday World?

Clearly he is incapable of checking the simplest of facts but prefers to treat readers as gullible fools.

Like I suppose that the visit was taken from your web site which was accessed a few minutes ago?

http://www.christinagallagher.org/en/

Over the years he has shown himself incapable of checking and reporting the fact of over 700 healing and conversion testimonies at the House of Prayer.

Jim Gallagher who you should be writing to is not given to studying your healing ratio, as all he does is follow the money trail. However, as you asking me I answer simply. Even if Christina had 1000 healings, could walk on water and do cartwheels around the Texas House of Prayer it is of no consequence.

As the book by Kevin Symonds has shown if she does not submit to her bishop that is an immediate reason to confirm she is a fake. Also if she has shown any evidence of enriching herself or acting immorally those are immediate grounds to stop the show.

Just as he clearly lacks an appreciation of the Catholic faith, its teaching and practices.

My Catholic faith is of no relevance but as the book by Kevin Symonds shows I have been well briefed.

Today’s gaffe is in perfect consistency with his customary deception and slander of Mrs Gallagher.

Your gaffe in attributing the article to me and not Jim Gallagher and your lack of understanding of the Catholic Faith is terminal. Also earlier this month we challenged Fr McGinnty to a public debate sponsored by a newspaper like the Irish Catholic, or a society in a university is still on the table. If he is in fact not away now could the  HofP accept the challenge at their earliest convenience?

It has come to our attention that someone who I know and is affected by the HofP phoned the Texas HofP and was informed that Christina Gallagher was not in the United States but has in fact had major surgery for a very serious throat ailment in the last two to three weeks. This shows that the reason the HofP claims she could not go is completely without foundation, namely because of the pressure she had come under about the sources of her wealth. My source who was at one time very close to Christina made this point,

“This is very bad news as she has a history of been a very heavy cigarette smoker…”

Also having reflected on why the HofP spokesperson claimed I was the author of the Sunday World article was because if they attacked Jim Gallagher and the bishops were reading the book, “The Immaculate Deception,” they would have egg on their faces. We can also confirm that Fr McGinnity is over in the States giving succour to the HofP which has no church approval anywhere.

My source also made the point that Christina has a habit of using the sick card a lot, whereas in this case it looks like Christina is genuinely sick. We wish her a speedy recovery.

“For years she has used this excuse when she was feeling lazy and could not be bothered meeting the pilgrims. I do not know how many times over the years Fr        McGinnity told us that Christina was suffering the stigmata and was unable to attend the services in the HofP. I have it from the horses mouth from a lady who was an eye witness to this stigmata being self inflicted. She should know as she worked within the inner sanctum and knew everything about CG. She reported that Christina would more often than not be upstairs in her plush bedroom sipping a Baileys and either watching the activities on her CCTV cameras downstairs or watching her favourite soap.”

“I remember distinctly back in 1999 when she made the big announcement about closing the HofP and of course blaming Archbishop Neary for it. It was announced that Christina had had a major heart attack and was at death’s door and that it was the stress of the, “Enforced,” closure that had brought this about. At the time my wife and I were very concerned and I spoke to Christina’s daughter Mary to ask which hospital she was residing in as we would like to send her a bouquet of flowers and a get well card etc. I remember distinctly how she blushed and her face turned red. She would not give us the name of hospital as according to her her mother needed her privacy.”

“In reality as we all know now Christina was off on her holidays on the south coast of England where she had an illicit affair with a sleazy guy called Chawkie. This has all been confirmed to me by an eyewitness who accompanied CG on this trip and was so shocked by her experience that she went to Fr.McGinnity who she adored and told him her story. To her utter amazement he turned a blind eye and just said Christina is Christina. With that she left and never darkened the door of the HofP ever again.”

All of these stories are found in the book by Jim Gallagher, “The Immaculate Deception,” and have been in the public domain for over 6 years.
My source wrote further,

“No problem Mike. Fire away I am very comfortable that I can stand over my sources of Information and it is about time this dreadful woman is brought to heel. I have no fear of legal action because if I was to reveal all she would know she had not a leg to stand on.”

Monsignor Gearóid Dullea,  Executive Secretary Irish Episcopal Conference confirmed in a telephone call today that the bishops had in fact discussed the issue of the House of Prayer.
Initially reading the text of the communique it looked like the issue was not addressed, but  Gearóid pointed out that the document did not contain all the issues addressed.

http://www.catholicbishops.ie/2015/09/30/statement-of-the-autumn-2015-general-meeting-of-the-irish-catholic-bishops-conference/

He stated he hoped to have the conclusions with me within about 3 weeks.

This means that the Director of Dialogue Ireland should be able to see the conclusions reached before he meets with Archbishop Eamon Martin in Dundalk in early November.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/18/archbishop-eamon-martin-agrees-to-meet-mike-garde-the-director-of-dialogue-ireland-about-the-house-of-prayer/

Likely this would also involve the opportunity to discuss this issue with the relevant authorities in Rome while at the synod.

http://www.catholicbishops.ie/2015/09/29/archbishops-eamon-martin-diarmuid-martin-attend-synod-bishops-rome/

Last December Dialogue Ireland entered into discussions with Victory Outreach in regard to the failures of governance in regard to their agent Andy Valdez who went rogue and refused to address the serious charges leveled against him. These were clearly outlined in an RTE Prime Time documentary which can be found with a number of other articles on our blog.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/christian/victory-outreach/

We tried over a number of months to engage with the representative of VO Paul Lloyd who has responsibility for Ireland but who was based in Manchester in regard to these issues.

It became clear that they view themselves as unique and that they do not cooperate with others doing similar work. They nearly give off the idea that they are the only Christians in the way they go about their activities. They have the view that they are God’s anointed and proceeded to act alone and in ways totally similar to what was going on before.

Some leaders who were involved in VO and who were compromised by their involvement with Valdez jumped ship but were still obviously involved in the same style of ministry.

Freedom Ministries began to operate all around the country and people did not know which group was ok or which one was involved with deceitful practices. Because the revived VO did its own thing we had no influence and our report was ignored.

Also we clearly suggested that working from a base in the north inner city moving to Rathdrum was not a good idea. Why? Because there already was a work in the area and people would get confused as to who was who. In fact Tiglin tries to operate within ways which make use of medical and psychological services. Furthermore they have a strict regime to allow the addicts to make a break from their former lives. They do not go near those places associated with their addictions.

We advised VO in the strongest terms that going to Rathdrum was not helpful and would add to the level of confusion. Reality might now be forcing them to follow our advice.

DI began to get calls from the public thinking we were VO because we have the most prominent information about them on our blog. It became clear that VO is currently very attractive to vulnerable addicts as they have no demands or structures in place. So desperate parents think sending them to VO is better than them being in the gutter. However, their totally one sided methodology means in the Irish culture the person is overwhelmed and the boundaries are not very clear. They may not be bringing people into pubs or fundraising under false pretenses or getting the addicts to hand over their social welfare, but we believe this bull in the china shop approach will end in tears. A few months ago a social worker asked me for a telephone number  for the Rathdrum House as they had a person who was very sick and needed to go into hospital and needed to get his stuff. She could find no contact details anywhere.

VO is not an organisation with an accountable head, but rather there are no real ways to  challenge the centre. So we found Paul unable to address any concerns in reality.

We noted the Wicklow News report about concerns about the facility being close to schools but believe that VO is bound for Cabinteely. We have no evidence as yet, but only intelligence but we would suggest that the public send us reports which we will publish.

Evidence of inappropriate fundraising keep coming in, however, make sure it is not Freedom Ministries who specialise in Cup Cake sales. We are not sure how VO pays for its work if they are not doing what was done before?

Trying to get a handle on Terry Quinn we went through his Facebook page for 2012 just before the calamitous collapse of the Prosperity Pyramid in Firhouse, Co Dublin in the summer of 2013.
He was a guest of Victory Christian Church.

Here is the video of this event where Gerry Byrne is the chief cheerleader. The event is on his Facebook page.

8 December 2012
Speaking to the men of Victory Dublin this morning -The revolution is growing

Just in case some of you missed this recent report here it is again.
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/24/gerry-byrne-in-the-wars-and-turns-to-marriage-for-comfort/

Why do people continue to follow a model of Christian discipleship that wounds them and leaves them struggling financially?

Here is the most extensive archive for you read further what results from following this model of Christianity.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/christian/victory-faith-movement-or-prosperity-gospel-archive-abundant-life/

But not only was Gerry Byrne involved but also Brendan Hade.

We published a series of reports on the activities of Hassan Boyle and then on the developments around a men’s movement and the promotion of a new variant of the Prosperity Gospel.
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/02/steve-hassan-has-left-a-trail-of-questions-in-dundalk-co-louth-ireland/
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/22/redefined-prosperity-philosophy-in-focus-with-pastor-sunday-adelaja-terry-quinn/
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/why-did-terry-quinn-move-to-dundalk/
As these were greeted with silence we have decided to challenge Terry or whoever else would like to take part in this event to a public debate.

Why November 4th? Because on that day Mike Garde, the Director of DI is meeting the Archbishop of Armagh, Eamon Martin in Dundalk to discuss the House of Prayer. Most would know the person who lends his support to this scam is the parish priest of Knockbridge, Fr Gerard McGinnity.
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/18/archbishop-eamon-martin-agrees-to-meet-mike-garde-the-director-of-dialogue-ireland-about-the-house-of-prayer/
Rather than private mails and back channels, let us debate these issues in public.

Yes let us follow the example of Johnny Cash and meet in the public arena?

Here is the latest from the 93Revolution Conferences.

https://www.facebook.com/93revolution

93revolution added 2 new photos.

2 October at 00:08 ·

Great word tonight to the men of Dundalk by Andy Nugent – Speaking on ” Men of Consistency “

Here we will be addressing the vulnerability we all are subject to in our lives but mostly the issues around cultism. What do we mean by cultism? The phenomenon where people can have their heads turned and become subject to undue influence. Generally we do exercises to show how this vulnerability works. When preparing to come to Terenure College I began to see if I could find information about it.

http://www.terenurecollege.ie/      

What is involved with a School Visit?

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/schools/

Previous visits:
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/dialogue-ireland-director-visits-terenure-college/
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2014/10/20/further-visit-by-dialogue-ireland-director-to-terenure-college/

This is what we wrote recently in regard to a debate with Terry Quinn.

We published a series of reports on the activities of Hassan Boyle and then on the developments around a men’s movement and the promotion of a new variant of the Prosperity Gospel.
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/02/steve-hassan-has-left-a-trail-of-questions-in-dundalk-co-louth-ireland/
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/22/redefined-prosperity-philosophy-in-focus-with-pastor-sunday-adelaja-terry-quinn/
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/why-did-terry-quinn-move-to-dundalk/
As these were greeted with silence we have decided to challenge Terry or whoever else would like to take part in this event to a public debate.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2015/10/05/dialogue-ireland-suggests-debate-with-terry-quinn-on-friday-november-6th-november-on-the-subject-of-cultism/

Dialogue Ireland has not received a response from Terry Quinn and as he has no contact details for him will write to one of the churches associated with his men’s campaign and renew the challenge .

Naturally it does not need to be on November 4th but if that date is not convenient another date can be found. Terry can respond to this blog or to our email address:

info@dialogueireland.org or to any of the telephone numbers on the site.

Christian church group vacate premises at Northlink Retail Park

A church, function rooms and coffee shop that was being run by a Christian chuch group operating in Dundalk has closed its doors over Christmas.

http://www.dundalkdemocrat.ie/news/local-news/christian-church-group-vacate-premises-at-northlink-retail-park-1-6519664

The Grace Fellowship Church, now known as the Grace Church Dundalk, left the premises just before Christmas Eve.

The group had been running a coffee shop, church and previously a school from the former retail unit.

The Grace Church began in 1987 as Grace Fellowship Family Church with lead pastor, Hassan Boyle, who – according to their slickly produced website – started the church from his living room in Bay Estate.

Speaking to the Dundalk Democrat , Kenneth Cumiskey, the landlord of the unit confirmed that they had left, but did not wish to comment further.

It is not clear if the group have any plans to set up elsewhere in Dundalk.

The ‘Coffee Room’ had been operating for a number of years from a former retail unit in the Northlink Retail Park, and was well known for selling unbranded Starbuck’s Coffee.

The operators of the business however announced on December 18 that the business would be closing.

Written on their Facebook page it said: “It is with much regret that we have to announce that sadly The Coffee Room will cease trading at close of business on Christmas Eve (5pm).

“The management and staff would like to thank you for your support and valued custom over the last 3 years.”

The coffee shop was being run by the Christian group, and was popular with both members of the congregation and members of the public.

The Grace Fellowship also ran a school, initially at the retail park and then at the old Keytronic school.

The church is a registered charity, and encourages its congregation to make financial donations in order for it to make an “environment” that can be enjoyed on a weekly basis.

Two years ago the premises and the part of the complex that was run by the group was described as a “fire trap”.

Dundalk Town Council had summonsed the landlords and the tenant Hassan Boyle, trading as Grace Fellowship Family Church, under planning enforcement and building control regulations, and the building was temporarily closed.

Improvements were made and the premises was reopened following a fire officer’s approval.

Other Christian church groups across Ireland have fallen on hard times, with a staggering €18 million judgement being awarded against the Victory Christian Fellowship in Dublin.

It is understood that such churches finance their operations, and parishioners lifestyles, through ‘tithes ‘ (donations) and through enterprises such as the coffee shops.

The Democrat attempted to contact the group by email, by phone and via social media, but did not receive a response before going to print.

The Cathriona White story has layers Scientology associated with it. We are only beginning to get a handle on it. Here the Sunday Times with the aid of Tony Ortega tries to take it forward.

Carrey helps carry the coffin of ex-girlfriend Cathriona White to Our Lady of Fatima Church, in White’s home village of
Cappawhite, Co Tipperary; right, White pictured out with the actor in New York earlier this year; inset, her Californian home

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ST Story

THE family of Tipperary woman Cathriona White, whose body was found last
month in her California home shortly after she ended a relationship with actor Jim Carrey, praised her as “a small-town girl with big dreams” who was “not afraid to follow them.”
“She followed them all the way to LA, and you could not get any bigger than that,” her half-brother Tadhg White told mourners at the funeral in Cappawhite, south Tipperary yesterday.

Carrey arrived at the church at 11.15am, shortly before the service began, wearing sun
glasses. He later helped family members carry White’s coffin half a mile to the local cemetery. The actor wiped away tears as he hugged members of the deceased woman’s family at her graveside, before linking arms with them on the return
journey to Cappawhite village afterwards.

White, a 30-year old film-set make-up artist and a aspiring actress, was found I
dead in her home in Los Angeles on September 28 after taking her own life. A number of suicide notes were found in her house, one reportedly referring to her love for Carrey. There was no reference at yesterday’s service to her suspected involvement with the Church of Scientology. At a separate service in California on Friday night, a dozen friends gathered to mourn White in a new-age style at the Zorthian movie set ranch on the slopes of the Angeles National Forest. On the ranch gate there was a note addressed to “Cat” reading: “You are not separate from the whole. You are one with the sun, the earth, the air. You don’t have a life. You are
life. ” It is a quote from Eckhart Tolle, the Vancouver-based lifestyle guru promoted by Oprah Winfrey.

On Friday a friend who attended the “moral service” said White had been a kind and
sweet person, but “she kept a lot of secrets to herself”. He said: “Although she tried
everything to find that Californian peace of mind, she was stressed out a lot of time – she missed her family, her relationship with Jim [Carrey] was pretty rocky and she was pretty insecure in all ways.

“She was finding it tough to pay her way with her Scientology friends, who were not
our friends. They offered big answers, which she craved. She was always looking for something spiritual, but it all came at a cost – thousands of dollars.”

White’s friend, who declined to be named, said the deceased woman had withheld from Carrey how “deep she was into [Scientology] financially”.

Tony Ortega, an online critic of the Church of Scientology, claims the Irish woman was pushing herself through a mandatory purification process called Survival Rundown, which involves an intense regime of mental exercises, saunas and doses of the Vitamin Niacin. It supposedly carries members up the “Bridge to Total Freedom” although a former member, Chris Shelton, alleged it put people into semi- hypnotic trances which can be psychologically damaging.

Scientologists have hit back at reports linking their practices to White’s death. But one of White’s friends said: “It [the church] took her money, which she could not afford, and was not there when she needed it.”

White had married Mark Burton, a cameraman she met in Los Angeles, last year
without telling her family. She White was living in Los Angeles reportedly intended to divorce Burton, who was also involved in Scientology. It has been claimed White first developed an interest in Scientology after befriending Cyril Helnwein, a photographer and son of artist Gottfried Helnwein who hosted the marriage of
Marilyn Manson and Dita Von Teese in his Tipperary castle in 2005. Cyril Helnwein declined to comment this weekend.

At her funeral service in Cappawhite yesterday, Fr Tadhg Furlong, parish priest,
said: “Life today presents us with many challenges and new questions. It’s easy to ask the questions but difficult to find answers.” He said White’s death was a warning that “some of our young people are under pressure. “We are acutely aware of the
vulnerability, ” he added. White was laid to rest alongside her father Pat. It emerged
following her death that she did not attend his funeral in 2012 because she was living illegally in America at the time. An investigation is continuing into the circumstances
surrounding White’s death. The results of toxicology tests will
it not be known for several weeks.

Irish language translators concerned over Scientology links

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1016/735407-translator-scientology/

Friday 16 October 2015